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post #31 of 34
A couple of points.

primoz has been a WC ski tech in a former life. He knows wax.

When you ski on unscraped skis, don't you have an area of wax in the middle of the ski that remains for a while while the rest of the ski, near the edges is 'clean'? I do when I'm lazy, which isn't often when it comes to skis.

I don't really care for base high anything be it p-tex or wax. A high spot in the middle of my ski that is a plastic substance really doesn't seem like it is providing me with any benefit. Just scrape off the wax. It takes 2 minutes. Isn't your increased pleasure worth that?
post #32 of 34
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Originally Posted by L&AirC View Post


I don't know that I buy the snow ripping the wax away but I'm guessing one theory is that the (sticky) wax is being pulled off in a larger chunk from the friction of the snow therefore it takes more wax with it.  This theory troubles me because isn't that what I'm doing with the scraper?

 


It is paramount that a sharp scraper be used to cut the wax off the surface. Using a dull scraper makes the job harder, and doesn't do as good a job. Taping a sheet of 180-240 grit sand paper on the work bench makes it convenient to keep a keen edge the scaper. Place it where it doesn't interfere with other tuning tasks.
post #33 of 34
Betaracer,

I think you missed my point or possibly I'm missing yours.

I'm a file guy.  Learned how to do this during my high school years (many, many moons ago) working at American Furniture Refining.  File in the vise and drag the scraper across.  I don't follow any; this many strokes then sharpen or one ski and then re-sharpen.  When it doesn't feel sharp, I sharpen it.  If I sharpen it and it doesn't feel sharp, I sharpen it again.

There are several other threads here about sharpening scrapers where I posted my views - sharp is important but the difference between 90 deg and 87 deg isn't important.

My statement/question above is - how is skiing the wax off different from scraping it off?  Is the analogy "pulling hair out vise shaving it off"?

To me "I don't know that I buy..."  isn't saying I don't agree.  I'm saying I don't understand it yet ...well at least implied that.

I think I also said I always scrape and I always brush - brass, horse hair then nylon (Thanks Terry.  Still love the roto-brushes).

So.  Can someone answer "WHY" is not scraping bad for the skis?  Hopefully with something I can absorb/understand.

Thanks,
Ken
post #34 of 34
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A few comments on that post.

3. All wax should be scraped off the base prior to use. Yes the wax will come off from skiing, but the wax is also torn from the pores resulting in a drier base.
 

Wax only really effects a micro thin layer of your base.  I doubt it is capable of seeping in beyond that.  Why would wax be able to penetrate any deeper than water?  The base material is so dense that any "pores" that might get somehow "damaged" would easily be gone after a basic filing or certainly a stone grind.  I know that hazy look that most bases get after a few years. I believe that's more a result of the petroleum in the plastic decomposing and drying out than it is form anything we do to them.  I'm no chemist or expert, but regardless of what happens or what the base looks like..  if it's flat and has the right smooth coating of wax it won't make much difference unless you're trying to shave 100ths.   For the average skier just do what makes you comfortable, keep the edges dry, and your skis will last at least fifty to a hundred days of skiing. 
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