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Next season's boots?

post #1 of 5
Thread Starter 
 I have large calves and I have always had trouble getting boots which are upright enough for me.  If this is tricky to understand, picture this: if the back of the boot stays fixed and the front of the boot has to move, the front will rotate forward to a steeper lean angle.  I have heard that next season's boots will be more upright in most lines.  Does anyone know which boots are likely to be both very upright and relatively stiff, as well as having relatively generous cuffs?  I am thinking of attending the Masterfit class, and I would like a boot that is a good starting point.  My current boots are Nordica Beasts (I think from the 2003-4 season, before Nordica numbered the Beasts).  My current boots are still a little too far forward, and are too soft.  Any thoughts?
post #2 of 5
Fog,

not sure where you got the info about boots being more upright next season, having just returned form the UK trade show there is very little change at all, salomon have nothing new other than the quest (HIKE AND RIDE BOOT) not even the colours changed, head have nothing new other than colours, lange have some new lasts but no more upright, atomic have a couple of modifiactions to their line but nothing major and no reported more upright cuffs, etc etc

while we are on this, i wish they would make boots more upright as i see this problem a lot

without seeing your foot it is not possible even start suggesting something, prehaps the speed machine or a head vector ltd but this is all speculation, whatever boot you end up with you should possibly consider stretchign the cuff backwards ina flare to accomodate the calf muscle, there is a specific tool made by southern ski tools to do this
post #3 of 5
Thread Starter 
 I have one pair of boots on which I had this modification done.  I think the boots rebounded over an off-season back closer to its pre-fitting condition.  I had heard in the instructors' locker room about the more upright boots, but that makes it very hard to pin down from whom.  I am pretty sure I heard it from one guy who knows a lot about Tecnicas, but he was saying it about other boots as well.  i heard it from at least one other source, but I am unable to attribute it.  I apologize for my memory lapse.

I know that rear-entry boots are anathema to many in the skiing community, but they do solve the calf problem very neatly, as the shin is not covered by much muscle, and is in relatively similar places among most skiers.  

I have thought even more about ski boot design though, and I have not really got good answers for some of the issues.  Some issues seem obvious, as the binding ought not to tilt the boot up at angles which increase as boot sole length decreases.  Many skiers have limited dorsiflexion, so boots should provide a way to keep the ankle more open in a neutral stance.  An issue that seems less obvious is that most bootfitting modifications move the ankle around, and even it the modifications did not, ankles would still be in different places with respect to the pivot point where the boot cuff joins the clog (using one manufacturer;s term for the lower boot).  What would seem ideal would be to have a boot which provides a consistent and acceptable forward lean for each skier, with an open ankle, and a pivot point aligned with the ankle.  All of this addresses fore-aft fitting, and does not address lateral issues, which are a study unto themselves.  Further, the clog needs to be a good fit for the skier's foot after modifications to get everything else aligned.  Maybe I am too picky.
post #4 of 5
I just spent a couple of hours with a bootfitter today, and might have some useful info for you.  I have a fairly wide, high volume foot with below average dorsiflexion and larger than average calf muscles.  I also have a pretty compact stance, and we are trying to get me into a more neutral, upright position.

The boots recommended for next season were Nordica Speedmachine 120's, Tecnica Dragons and Salomon Impacts.  As an intermediate step, we removed the spoiler from my current boots in addition to making orthotics.  The spoiler trick did a lot to improve my balance on the pressure pad while standing in neutral...you might try it.

Good luck!
post #5 of 5
Thread Starter 
I appreciate your idea on the rear spoiler.  My boots have had them removed a long time ago.  I have two pairs of boots that I consider current.  The first pair are Nordica Beasts, from 2002/3 season if I recall correctly.  I had them fitted by Green Mountain Orthotics Lab. during the 2003/4 season, selected from their stock on their recommendation during the fitting.  Modifications included a heel lift under my footbeds (custom made for a previous pair of boots), removal of the spoiler, cut down cuff, removed insulation from rear of liner, and a toe lift on the outside of the boot.  I can ski these boots, but in general they are too soft and easy to flex too far forward.  I usually teach in these.  I am mostly comfortable with the fit, but I get some pressure on the inside of my left foot, which makes the area over the bone swell.

The second pair of boots was my idea.  I bought Fischer Heat Fire 125s for the 2007/8 season.  The boot itself was not a super idea as far as fit, but I wanted to try the SomaFit concept which aligns the sole so that your feet are pointed outward when the skis are straight.  I figured that with limited dorsiflexion this would help get a little more effective flexion.  I had the back of the cuffs blown out, the tops cut down as low as feasible, including relocating the power strap, replacing it with a Booster strap.  I kept the heel lift.  The boots were very tight when fit, and I skied them that season only with the thinnest of socks.  The following season I could not get the boots to buckle, perhaps because I had gained weight, and perhaps because the boot has restored itself to its original form in the off season.  This season I have not had an opportunity to try them again.  I was very happy with the service I had gotten from a bootfitter.  He did tell me that it was not a good fit for my foot, but I had known that, and I was experimenting.  The fit was very precise and gave me a great deal of control.  Perhaps the fit was too tight, as I felt very uncomfortable when I skied across some washboard surfaces and everything transmitted very directly to my skeleton.

Further, I have some older boots I could play around with if needed, including two pairs of higher end Dalbello four buckle boots.  I want to experiment some more, which is why I was asking the question.  I had thought about the Speedmachines and Dragons.  I had not thought much about the Salomons.  I will put them on my list of boots to consider.  I had also been thinking about the Speedmachine 130 and the HR Pro 125.
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