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If Bode skis GS, who will be bumped?

post #1 of 8
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Stories out today that Bode will be allowed to ski all five events. If that happens, who does that leave out in GS, Ford, Jitloff or Zamansky?
post #2 of 8
It's likely Zamansky who will be left on the sidelines, even though he doesn't have the lowest number of World Cup points of the three.  Granted, it could come down to a time trial in Park City, where the men are currently training, to decide between Zamansky and Jitloff. 

Zamansky's two top-30 finishes were in December (Beaver Creek and Val d'Isere), yielding 10 Cup points.  Since then, he's had a string of DNFs and DNQs (as well as a DNS) in the critical January races leading up to the Games.

Jitloff's 9 Cup points come from three top-30 finishes (Val d'Isere in December and both Kranjska Gora races last weekend).  Given that Jitloff seems to be hitting his stride now, he's the better pick on paper. 

Ford is a lot safer, having had better results more recently, with two top-30 finishes (at Kranjska Gora and Alta Badia) yielding 17 Cup points.

So I think that the complete contingent for GS will be Ligety, Miller, Ford and Jitloff if the team is decided on result trending data.  That said, any number of things could change this: internal team time trial in Park City or Whistler; injury or illness to any of the others in the group; or simply coaches' whim on the eve of the race.
post #3 of 8
What he said.  Going with Bode, at all, in some ways is rolling the dice.  The last time he finished a WC GS was Solden 2008, where he was 10th for 10.30 FIS points.  Having said that, any coach would be crazy not to start Bode in as many events as he wants to race.  Ligety is obvious.  I think Tommy Ford is pretty solid, not just because of his WC results, but he also just won a Europa Cup GS for 11.11 points.  Jake Zamansky's recent best is 25th at BC last December for 18.78; Jitloff's recent best if 27th at Kranjska Gora for 12.58 points, so I say it's a coin toss between those two...



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Originally Posted by songfta View Post

It's likely Zamansky who will be left on the sidelines, even though he doesn't have the lowest number of World Cup points of the three.  Granted, it could come down to a time trial in Park City, where the men are currently training, to decide between Zamansky and Jitloff. 

Zamansky's two top-30 finishes were in December (Beaver Creek and Val d'Isere), yielding 10 Cup points.  Since then, he's had a string of DNFs and DNQs (as well as a DNS) in the critical January races leading up to the Games.

Jitloff's 9 Cup points come from three top-30 finishes (Val d'Isere in December and both Kranjska Gora races last weekend).  Given that Jitloff seems to be hitting his stride now, he's the better pick on paper. 

Ford is a lot safer, having had better results more recently, with two top-30 finishes (at Kranjska Gora and Alta Badia) yielding 17 Cup points.

So I think that the complete contingent for GS will be Ligety, Miller, Ford and Jitloff if the team is decided on result trending data.  That said, any number of things could change this: internal team time trial in Park City or Whistler; injury or illness to any of the others in the group; or simply coaches' whim on the eve of the race.
 
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I think you guys have it scoped out. Ligety, Tommy Ford, and let's presume Bode. Then it's Jake or Jit. Tough call for the coaches on that. Neither have had great years, but Jit did get in the points at KG in both races {though 5.5 secs out in one, 4+ on the other}. That may be enough to give him the edge. That would be my guess. Who knows, the USST staff had made any number of decisions in the past based on their own thinking at the time. Songfta has it right. Based on the published criteria the lineup would be Ligety, Ford, Jitloff and Zamansky. But Bode, if he pulls it together, does have a shot at a medal. A long shot, for sure, but he can still generate tremendous speed. So, he'll get a start if all agree that it makes sense.  And over the years, a lot of the thinking has been about medals, and not much else when picking the starters. I would say that Jit and Zamansky are clear "no shots" at a medal. Tommy Ford {along with Nolan Kasper} is a 20 year old phenom, so it's just great experience for him. They are the future of the USST, and could be just killing it down the road. Between Jake and Jit, one guy will clearly be disappointed. At least they were both named to the team. Perhaps Bode doesn't start the GS and they both get in. Who knows?

post #5 of 8
I heard today that Bode does intend to race in all five events. So that answers one question.
He is also evidently using this entire camp period in Park City to continue to dial in his equipment setup. Apparently Sasha Rearick {USST Head Coach} has expressed concern that they get it right. I'm surprised that it's taken this long, and this much effort as he {unlike LV} did not change companies this year. He is incredibly in tune with this, and likely has Head constantly pressing different skis, and fiddling with boots. That's always been the case with him.  And then there are all of the binding issues. Hopefully they don't have that much to pull together.

Back on topic, it looks like Jake or Jit for the fourth spot.
post #6 of 8
When it comes to equipment, Bode is not "normal" skier. While most of others make it with 10-15 pairs/year/discipline (at least for tech disciplines), Bode is not happy with 80+. Now anyone who has ever been testing and preparing equipment knows what you can do with 10 pairs, and what you can do with 80. Sure it sounds cool to have 80 pairs of skis (just for SL, which in Bode's case means another 200+ pairs for other disciplines to go through), but in reality you are picking skis most of time, instead of preparing (and getting used to) 3 or 4 pairs, which you are actually using on the end. And in my opinion (and in opinion of few people still involved in WC service business) that is main reason for his constant "equipment problems". It just takes waaaay too much time and effort to pick anything useful from such mass of skis, so before you even pick right ski, season is already over.
post #7 of 8
The touchy feely thing to do is bump the youngest kid so the old farts get what is likely to be their last shot at it.  Human interest stories = ratings and sponser interest.   However, coaches need to justify their decision with hard data.  That won't be too hard to do.  People use stats to cloud the truth or shade things in their faor all the time.
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When it comes to equipment, Bode is not "normal" skier. While most of others make it with 10-15 pairs/year/discipline (at least for tech disciplines), Bode is not happy with 80+. Now anyone who has ever been testing and preparing equipment knows what you can do with 10 pairs, and what you can do with 80. Sure it sounds cool to have 80 pairs of skis (just for SL, which in Bode's case means another 200+ pairs for other disciplines to go through), but in reality you are picking skis most of time, instead of preparing (and getting used to) 3 or 4 pairs, which you are actually using on the end. And in my opinion (and in opinion of few people still involved in WC service business) that is main reason for his constant "equipment problems". It just takes waaaay too much time and effort to pick anything useful from such mass of skis, so before you even pick right ski, season is already over.
 

Agree, 100%. Good post.  One of my friends has tested skis for Bode, and to me {he hasn't said this} it sounds like overkill. My understanding is that not only is it the 200+ pairs of skis, it's messing around with mounting points, ramp angles, etc. I do think that most of this is with his tech skis; I would assume that he's all set with speed. Still, doing this two weeks before the games has to have a number of people "not pleased." But then again, that's Bode. He's always been like this with his equipment, but since signing with Head it seems to have reached new heights!  And nobody is going to win this discussion with Bode.
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