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Poll Results: Outside of racing, how fast do you think you ski, on average, when cruising?

Poll expired: Feb 17, 2010  
  • 0% (0)
    5-15 mph
  • 21% (7)
    15-25 mph
  • 43% (14)
    25-35 mph
  • 34% (11)
    35-60 mph
  • 0% (0)
    60+ mph
32 Total Votes  
post #31 of 62
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Originally Posted by MastersRacer View Post

You'd be surprised. Ski Cooper has a DH course with about 1000 vertical and a 0.9 mile long that we race on. We have been clocked at well in excess of 60 mph and that is with turns. Winning times are as low as 53 seconds. Of course we are in a full tuck the whole way in a closed arena and making DH turns.

With twice the vertical, Stratton isn't nearly as flat as Cooper. I wouldn't call the myth busted. Just dangerous.
I've been to Cooper. I've been to Flatton. 60 mph at Flatton might be possible with a 59mph tailwind, otherwise, umm, no.
post #32 of 62
Every thread on this has some skeptical know it all, who has never actually measured speeds.  If the snow is fast, and the skier aero enough, reaching 60 on a flat run is not that hard.  You just point then straight, and have some patience.  You don't get up to speed that quickly on a flatter hill, but some fairly high speeds are possible.
post #33 of 62
You're also in a downhill suit?
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Originally Posted by MastersRacer View Post

You'd be surprised. Ski Cooper has a DH course with about 1000 vertical and a 0.9 mile long that we race on. We have been clocked at well in excess of 60 mph and that is with turns. Winning times are as low as 53 seconds. Of course we are in a full tuck the whole way in a closed arena and making DH turns.

With twice the vertical, Stratton isn't nearly as flat as Cooper. I wouldn't call the myth busted. Just dangerous.
post #34 of 62
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post

You're also in a downhill suit?
 



 

Most definitely. I don't race much, but when I do, it matters.
post #35 of 62
Last day of spring break I had my GPS with me.  Just cruising I was hitting the low 30's.  Started pushing it and was getting up to upper 30's.  On one run, at 38.6 mph I caught an inside edge going into a turn, got spun around and went down.  Hit the back of my head hard.  I now need a new helmet (it did it's job).  I wasn't KO'd, but damn near; serious dizzyness, instant nausea - not good.  Spent 2 hours recouping in the lodge, sipping water and nibbling chocolate.

So I think I'll stick to cruising in the low 30's for now and get a new helmet.  Maybe work on my technique, I suspect my inside ski got a little to far back.  Lucky I didn't have any other physical damage.
post #36 of 62
this could be a completely innaccurate way to do this but with my friends, we ask the ski patrollers how long certain trails are... if u ski a 1 mile trail in a minute u are going 60. That was my top speed wen i bombed a 1 mile trail
post #37 of 62
The clock and mileage doesn't lie, and average speed is less than max actual.
post #38 of 62
You don't need steep or long to get to higher speeds.

Typical speeds:
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on these not very steep slopes
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post #39 of 62

NO one "cruises at 60 mph".  

post #40 of 62
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post

You're also in a downhill suit?


 

Always. AND a full face when at Flatton.
post #41 of 62
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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post



I've been to Cooper. I've been to Flatton. 60 mph at Flatton might be possible with a 59mph tailwind, otherwise, umm, no.
 

60 mph at flatton would be simple Id bet I could easily do it. Now cruising at the speed no, but tucking a blue run and going straight sure. 

threads like this are why I spend tons of time in trees. When I see wide open areas my turns grow as does my speed. So far so good but groomer skiing is way sketchier to me than skiing in the trees or bumps.
post #42 of 62
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post




60 mph at flatton would be simple Id bet I could easily do it.
Yes, yes, no doubt.........
post #43 of 62
There's no reason in the world you couldn't hit 60mph at Stratton, probably even in regular clothes. North American is plenty steep enough and that gondola run would be no problem.

Here's results from the North Eastern Speed Cup at Ragged Mountain, NH. Not exactly a huge mountain with 1,250 ft. of vertical. http://www.raggedmountainresort.com/mountain_stats.html

from:http://www.twist-racing.com/
 
  
   Speed = FINISH SPEED 
Pl Bib   Name            start to int1    int1 to fin        Speed       Time 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
  1  32  HENDERSON, AARON    38.773 (1)      0.316 (1)     71.09mph   39.09 (1)    
  2  1   HUTCHINSON, RICH    39.072 (2)      0.323 (2)     69.63mph   39.39 (2)    
  3  22  TAPPLY, BILL        39.321 (3)      0.326 (3)     68.95mph   39.64 (3)    
  4  30  TREANOR, JOE        39.648 (4)      0.340 (10)    66.13mph   39.98 (4)    
  5  20  HADLEY, GEOFF       39.918 (5)      0.333 (5)     67.54mph   40.25 (5)    
  6  17  DUYMAZLAR, HASAN    40.205 (6)      0.333 (5)     67.54mph   40.53 (6)    
  7  42  MATOR, LARRY        40.254 (7)      0.330 (4)     68.14mph   40.58 (7)    
  8  10  CHALKER, TOM        40.496 (8)      0.341 (11)    65.88mph   40.83 (8)    
  9  28  SPRECKER, SPENCER   40.497 (9)      0.346 (15)    64.97mph   40.84 (9)    
10  25  REISDORF, TYLER     40.543 (10)     0.337 (9)     66.58mph   40.88 (10)   
11  39  JANNESS, SAMUEL     40.547 (11)     0.350 (19)    64.12mph   40.89 (11)   
12  23  PETERSON, JEFF      40.562 (12)     0.350 (19)    64.24mph   40.91 (12)   
13  26  BIAGIOLI, MARIO     40.817 (13)     0.344 (13)    65.25mph   41.16 (13)   
14  21  PELLETIER, TIMOTH   40.837 (14)     0.344 (13)    65.40mph   41.18 (14)   
15  35  BRADICICH, PAUL     40.956 (15)     0.335 (7)     67.12mph   41.29 (15)   
16  12  LAMBERT, BENJAMIN   41.153 (16)     0.336 (8)     66.84mph   41.49 (16)   
17  16  SPOONER, JOHN       41.227 (18)     0.341 (11)    65.82mph   41.56 (17)   
17  6   GOSS, JOHN          41.219 (17)     0.348 (16)    64.54mph   41.56 (17)   
19  37  BOSLEY, ANTONY      41.512 (19)     0.348 (16)    64.50mph   41.86 (19)   
20  11  MURTAUGH, TONY      41.760 (20)     0.349 (18)    64.37mph   42.10 (20)   
21  7   SPARKOWSKI, EDWAR   41.991 (21)     0.351 (21)    64.10mph   42.34 (21)   
22  13  JEFFERSON, RICHAR   42.229 (22)     0.369 (26)    60.87mph   42.59 (22)   
23  27  STEVENS, MARK       42.246 (23)     0.354 (22)    63.43mph   42.60 (23)   
24  8   SPARKOWSKI, ERIK    42.730 (24)     0.359 (24)    62.56mph   43.08 (24)   
25  15  DUSMAN, SERGEY      42.835 (25)     0.356 (23)    63.06mph   43.19 (25)   
26  31  EATON, CHRISTIAN    43.329 (26)     0.374 (27)    60.06mph   43.70 (26)   
27  19  PIERCE, JON         43.523 (27)     0.363 (25)    61.91mph   43.88 (27)   
28  36  CAPRI, DOUG         44.253 (28)     0.386 (29)    58.22mph   44.64 (28)   
29  14  JEFFERSON, ALEX     44.296 (29)     0.392 (32)    57.35mph   44.68 (29)   
30  38  DOYLE, PAT          44.412 (30)     0.384 (28)    58.45mph   44.79 (30)   
31  4   FERRANTI, BILL      44.747 (31)     0.389 (30)    57.82mph   45.13 (31)   
32  3   BASSETT, ED         45.217 (32)     0.389 (30)    57.78mph   45.60 (32)   
33  40  STEVENS, CHRIS      45.317 (33)     0.397 (33)    56.60mph   45.71 (33)   
34  33  HOTE, CHRIS         45.701 (34)     0.401 (35)    55.99mph   46.10 (34)   
35  44  BATCHELDER, JEREM   45.874 (35)     0.414 (36)    54.22mph   46.28 (35)   
36  47  MARTINSON, OWEN     46.906 (36)     0.420 (37)    53.46mph   47.32 (36)   
37  2   BRODEN, BOB         47.861 (37)     0.425 (38)    52.94mph   48.28 (37)   
38  43  ROHRER, SAM         48.185 (38)     0.448 (40)    50.21mph   48.63 (38)   
39  24  MALCUIT, RYAN       49.988 (39)     0.398 (34)    56.51mph   50.38 (39)   
40  5   BRODT, PHILIPP      50.469 (40)     0.435 (39)    51.70mph   50.90 (40)   
 
 
 
28-03-10 / RAGGED  MOUNTAIN         LIST:                                DM18 / 1 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
DATA PROCESSING BY USSA SOFTWARE                                ALGE TIMY TIMING 
This page printed from www.Live-Timing.com



Here's something interesting. A Downhill at Jay Peak:

from: http://www.twist-racing.com/

30TH ANNUAL
GEORGE SYROVATKA DOWNHILL

 

 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Edited by Tog - 4/14/10 at 11:56am
post #44 of 62
I took a GPS up today. 168cm SL Intermediate skis Dynamic VR7. 3 different runs on the mountain just cruise mode. 46.8mph,45.6mph&44.3mph. Didn't feel like it and it prolly wasn't.
post #45 of 62
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Originally Posted by slider View Post

 Didn't feel like it and it prolly wasn't.
 
Prolly was.  Even an old GPS won't give three bad readings in a row, and you ski too fast anyway.
post #46 of 62
Ya know.........that's not the first time I've heard that. This GPS is brand new high end. I checked it with a few other moving objects on the slope to get a baseline. Maybe I should start Snowboarding.Rumor has it your in France?
post #47 of 62
I recall seeing a speed survey, but don't recall who or where.  They measured skiers speeds on the hill and asked them to estimate how fast they thought they were going.  The more experienced skiers tend to underestimate their speed and the less experienced skiers tended to overestimate their speed.
post #48 of 62
I have a Navman (dedicated skier's GPS) and my Droid phone loaded with GPS apps (I usually use "My Tracks").  I have tested both in my car and am amazed at how quickly and accurately they reflect the changes in speed and the max speed.  I agree that consumer GPS units probably aren't perfectly accurate, but I believe that they are close enough for my needs.

Until I started skiing with a GPS my perception of my skiing speed was far from reality.  If you don't do some kind of sport where you're regularly "aware" of your actual speed (like biking with a bike computer) then you don't really have a feel for this.  I dont' think that driving a car gives you an accurate "speed sense" for when you're not inside a vehicle.  It always feels faster when you're on a bike or skiing than it actually is.  When I ski and hit speeds in the mid-50s it feels irresponsibly freaky fast to me. 
post #49 of 62
I would feel uncomfortable over 50mph on skis Noodler. Yesterday it was wet slow snow and so my best was 47.8mph on 179cm fatties which felt about as fast as I wanted to go. Note-I do not tuck or straightline. Just carve turns.
post #50 of 62
The skis you are on make a big difference in how fast it feels.  Speeds that are a yawn on 208 SGs feel quite fast on 165 SLs.
post #51 of 62
So true. Next week I'll take some Head 188cm GS WC,that should get me past 50mph. Unless it's hard snow then our hill Mt.Flachelor(Bachelor)is hard pressed for vertical. You could tuck a straightline but then that wouldn't be cricket.
post #52 of 62
We have a pair of Head i.GS RD 188cm 27M. Hold on to your hat!!!!!

I skied them at the top of Meadows over President's day. You can simply haul balls!

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Originally Posted by slider View Post

So true. Next week I'll take some Head 188cm GS WC,that should get me past 50mph. Unless it's hard snow then our hill Mt.Flachelor(Bachelor)is hard pressed for vertical. You could tuck a straightline but then that wouldn't be cricket.
 
post #53 of 62
I have no clue what speed I'm skiing, numerically, but I know when I'm going too fast, and when I'm not going fast enough, and when it is just right. I don't need, or want, to put a number on it. Knowing the actual number would just mess with my head, and I don't need that.

Likewise, race cars don't have speedometers, but the drivers know before they've seen the stopwatch whether that last lap was good or bad.
post #54 of 62
I perceive my speed as fast.  Very fast.  Until a 6 year old in a wedge blows by me.
post #55 of 62
I now use a Garmin 205 wristwatch GPS and love it. I cruise in the mid 30's and fly in the mid 40's, no tuck and carving turns.
post #56 of 62
I now use a Garmin 205 wristwatch GPS and love it.You can download the trips data later. I cruise in the mid 30's and fly in the mid 40's, no tuck and carving turns.
post #57 of 62
I was up today with a 168cm SL on a block of Ice and no helmet. 37.8mph. Easy does it on the hard snow. An old guy was heckling me from the lift. Something about skiing too fast. I was standing on the side of the run!
post #58 of 62

I got clocked going 49mph going backwards on Silverbelt at Silver Mountain years ago.

post #59 of 62

I'm quite into speed... I bought a GPS back in about 1995 and hit 60mph for the first time in Vail over quite bumpy ground - and that GPS (Gamin 12XL) didn't record max speed, so I had to read it while going along, which was a bit of a nighmare. Since then I've upgraded to  Garmin foretrex, which is a whole load better, and I also ski with an iPhone now too for corroboration (though its GPS is nowhere near as good as the garmin and often loses the track).

The Ice Flyer run in Engelberg is fairly steep and often empty, though has a poor runout, but I've skiied that at over 120km/h several times, reproducibly, which is a shade under 80mph. Weirdly, my fastest run was on a pair of 163 Stockli slalom skis :)

Now I live near Megeve and often get to ski long, open, completely empty runs first thing in the morning. Got myself a nice solid pair of Atomic SG skis and they just don't work great below 60mph :)

I was very curious about the iffy reputation of GPS speed readings, so I did a speed skiing day in Flaine where I could try out some DH skis on a run with proper TAG timing gear. I'd just got my ContourHD helmet camera too, so here's a little compilation of the day. The slope wasn't up to much and conditions were not good, so fear wasn't a factor at all and made it much more about how much speed you could get out of the hill (98kmh in my case). Over about 8 runs, my GPS was within +/- 2km/h of the timing gear on every run except one, where it was over by 22.

I got a nice clip from a day in Chamonix - 72mph on my old Volant Chubbs!

I often ski with my 6-year-old daughter too, and I've been alongside her at a sustained, steady 40mph, which I was quite shocked by! She wasn't that impressed.

Next season I'm planning to try and make one of the "pop KL" events, probably in Verbier which is ony a couple of hours away, see if I can hit my 100mph ambition...

post #60 of 62
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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post



Yes, yes, no doubt.........
 


I bet you a 1000 bucks I can go 60 mph at stratton, if you dont believe me. I say show up and put your money where your mouth is. :P 

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