Well the VIST skis are pretty...
I'd agree about going with the Phoenix though.
Apparently I'm wrong about the business model.See below .I don't think it matters anyway. The skis are well made, you're unlikely to have problems and if you do I"m sure they'll be around for long enough to take care of them. Who keeps skis for 10 years now anyway?
I would concur about the Vist plate. Hart really should team up and get some plates made for their skis. Before you mount them though, check here about mounting points. Hart was marking them too far back for awhile and I believe most are better off mounted forward 1.5 -3cm's.
I didn't post extensive review of the Phoenix because I wasn't really testing them at the time. I needed a ski and someone was kind enought to lend me one. Then I had stuff to do on them - ie shoot video. After the first day the ski needed a little base bevel since a lot of the time the snow was cold very packed and aggressive. The ski didn't like to slide sideways too much. I gave it 1/2 a degree. Much better. In a way, not having a lot to say at that time is a good thing since they were acting as an all mountain slalom ski which is what I was coming off in the east. They carve very well and they do what you want. Had I been on the Blizzard Atlas Titans for that time I'd probably want to shoot myself - very hard to deal with at times. I got into testing skis later.
Originally Posted by julie-at-hart
In reply to Tog's comments about Hart,
As the CAO of Hart, I think that I can help clear up some of the miss-perceptions that you have of Hart.
Thanks for jumping in here!
Actually, I don't have any miss-perceptions at all. I have perceptions that are based on a few years of seeing what's going on. They might be "wrong" but if I
have them you can be sure many others do. Frankly though, probably not a lot of people have any perceptions at all of the company. That's a problem for the brand.
First, the company is far from going under. Yes, as a company trying to revive a great brand, there will be some things we do well, some things we need to work on.
Second, we like to think our skis are second to none. With 5 US Olympic skiers (all 4 men on the US Mogul Olympic Team! plus Michelle Roark for the women) and 1 UK Olympic skier going to Vancouver this month skiing on Hart, I think that I am safe to say that.
I'm glad that it's far from going under! Essentially though, it's almost invisible to the public. The Olympics should help change that. At least more people will ask "I thought Hart was dead. They're still around?"
It's good you've got the mogul skiers. Now you need someone else no? Right now Hart=moguls. That's good to get the brand out there, but not many people buy dedicated mogul skis. I can't remember the last "what mogul ski should I buy?" thread here. Yeah this isn't a huge mogul site, but mogul sites aren't huge either.
Interestingly Stockli seems to be big in skier cross right now.
Third, we have tried different models, are narrowing down as we learn what people like. We have had ownership for 2 years and you learn and grow. Next year's collection will be a reflection of what we have learned, keeping much of what we have now and building on where we need to go.
Well the "ownership for 2 years" is a new one on me.
Mention "Hart" and most people ask "didn't they disappear years ago?"
So, let's just say the previous ownership didn't do the brand all that many favors other than cpr.
Fourth, top sheet design has been the same for most skis since 2008 when we made the change from prior ownership. As we narrow and refresh, we try to eliminate those designs that seem not to be as popular. Respectfully, it is far from a whim when we decide that a change needs to be made. It is hard work, everyone has different opinion on what looks good and we are not going to please everyone.
If you want feed back on what people think of your top sheet designs, that wouldn't be hard to do here. We could arrange it. Again, the problem is no one's looking.
Here's a real world case for you. There was a guy Ed at Snowmass. Ed was skiing on basically a twin tip mogul ski - a "Mary Jane" commerative ski. I forget the brand. The only good thing about that ski for Ed was it was soft. It had little sidecut. He's not a big guy and he's in his 60's. He "loved" the ski. Someone got him to try their Hart Beat. I'd been eyeing that ski but it was too short. Ed loved the skis. A new revelation in skiing. Instantly made him better since the ski actually, well, worked.
Thing is, I don't see him buying the Cheetah. I think they were going to try to find him the Beat - or the owner was going to sell those.
The Beat: simple, pretty nice, looks good on snow.
Cheetah: can't imagine many like that one! - even girls who wear leopard everything.
Fifth, website needs tweeking, agreed and we are working on it.
Last, Lamborghini, you are correct.