- 618 Posts. Joined 7/2002
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Any SIA pics of stockli for 2011
- 16,243 Posts. Joined 1/2000
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And I rock Stockli Stormriders, and will always have a pair from that series.
Stockli trying to make a pictorial top sheet has the same clumsiness as the guy who can't dance being dragged out onto the dance floor and left there to loosen up and give it a go. Who's making a classic top sheet if not Stockli? Stockli is not likely to loosen up, and why would they? Matched pair graphics? give me a break, that's someone elses game. Stockli, be yourself, Swiss made, high quality, solid methods and technique.
Hah! I questioned them about that change in their graphics too. For Stockli it's really kind of a compromise between the full on art work that others are doing and their original roots. I honestly think that what they're doing works for them and they don't need to go any further and follow the pack. I told them to always stay aware of who their customers are - they're generally not 16 year old kids.
What on earth is the point of doing the SS Pro as one graphic combined on both skis. Rediculous. Don't people want to be able to switch the skis when the working edges get dinged? It's like a dumb vanity thing: let me get my right and left ski all lined up just right so they form a picture. There that's perfect. again: give me a break. That ski would lool a lot better if those graphics were set indiviudally on one ski. A lot of the graphics look like kelp, seaweed. what? That swirly linear artwork was popular in around 1968, check Album covers of that era.
Kaestle may be out Stockli-ing Stockli. Creds to their strong, individual position and knowlege of their target skier.
So, you questioned them, noodler? What was their reply? What is your pull at Stockli? I'd ski them, dumb-a$$ graphics or not
The "Pro" that I have pictured first is a brand new ski for Stockli. It may be the basis for the SS Pro for next season, but here are the specs: 136-105-123 Sandwich construction titanal-wood core-fiberglass-titanal with a sublimated titanal surface.
The Stockli guys were trying to explain how this ski works like a rockered ski without having any rocker, but I didn't really catch everything they were saying. I will say that it hand flexes fairly stiff. The Rotor 106 definitely hand flexes in a more friendly manner and I would choose that over the new Pro for typical deep days in CO. If you're hard charging in AK then the new Pro may be a better fit.
And I have absolutely no pull at Stockli - oh how I wish I did .
The grey with yellow flames Stormrider Scott Schmidt was a very popular ski among strong skiers. It was mid 80's waisted and had a longer turn radius than the current model Pro you pictured. They greatly increased the waist and kept the same model name from 08 to 010. I'm thinking by who bought the ski, that the 2010 S.S. kept the straigher sidecut of the 08 models. I believe this was where they saw trend going, to wider skis for everyday use, and, unforturnately, more sidecut, (out west anyhow).
Do they sell as many 104 and up waisted skis in Europe, or is this range of their line mostly U.S. oriented.
Personally I would like to see some wide models with even deeper sidecuts from Stockli. It's be a kind of revelation for me as of late that I love a deep sidecut on a freeride-oriented wider ski that's not overly stiff. I've changed my skiing style/technique for the better lately and I can't seem to get enough sidecut. During the SIA demos I really liked the 18m ~90mm underfoot skis. I didn't find them to be hooky or twitchy at all (which was my previous complaint). I guess if you're straight-lining all day you might have a complaint, but I've gone back to making a lot more turns, but this time on wider skis and really liking the change.
IIRC, Stockli builds around 50K sets of skis each season. Of these something like 10K come to the U.S. Of that 10K only about half are from the upper end of their line (Stormrider and Race skis). Although this may have changed some with the intro of the Rotor line (these numbers were from around 2005 I think). The distributor said that they sell out in the U.S. each season even at their prices - so the demand is still there.
I've heard that the off-piste style of skiing is catching on more in Europe so I would think that they are selling more of the wider skis there (but it's been a slow adoption). Most likely that's why Stockli has been very slow in widening their lineup - they've definitely lagged behind almost all other builders.
I really like the way Stockli gives you skis in sidecut 26mm to 43mm (tip to waist) and in a few widths. They know what factors a skier will be considering based on skiing style and ability, and provide choices in those important performance categories. They concern themselves not with superficial features, bells and whistles.
Sidecut is sort of synched to the character of the ski area or mountain you ski, IMO. In a counter-intuitive moment of insight, I learned that if your turns have a degree of slide in them, the straighter ski will produce a more predictable edge release, making it possible to make as many or few turns as I like for the moment.
The DP was a striking looking ski, but most skiers opted for a different brand for their deep conditions ski. Until now perhaps.
Interesting numbers, so around 3000 Stormriders to the US each year.
Sooooo cool that they still enjoy a sound business model for a made in Switzerland ski. Hope that never changes, it would be too great a loss for Stockli fans to sustain. Stockli's made in another country? I don't think so.
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Stockli claims the stormrider pro is a very forgiving ski. I can't wait to try it out. I tried other brands and Stockli is still my favorite. I skied on Volkl AC30 yesterday and they were fun and light but the edgehold isn't in the same realm of a stockli.
The Scot Schmidts will kick your A$$ after 5 or 6 runs but they are the best skis I've ever used for fast sking in heavy chop and crud. I plan on trying the VXL's to see how they compare. I'm trying to teach my 5 yo daughter not to bomb it and she will not get the right message if she sees me skiing the schmidts!