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Fischer Watea 84 vs 94 vs other

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Thread Starter 
I'm looking at buying some new skis.  They'll be my only skis (I'm expecting them to be better in pretty much every aspect than my 1998 Dynastar Max Zeros ), so I need them to be versatile.  I'm level 8, hoping to be level 9 once my kids are a bit older and I get to ski more often....

Most/all of my skiing will be in Colorado.  I'll ski them on groomers, bumps, some powder.  I'm 6'0", 150 lbs.

Fischer Watea 84 and 94 are sounding good to me.  Realistically, the 84s sound like they're more in line with what I'm looking for (will be better in bumps, easier carving on groomers).  I have a nagging feeling that I'll regret not having the wider 94s when I get powder, though.  Any advice to help me?  How noticeable is the difference between the 84s and the 94s on groomed trails and bumps?  Are the 84s good enough in powder to keep me happy?  I don't weigh much - am I going to have trouble turning the 94s?

Anybody have any other suggestions for skis that I should be considering?  I'd like to pick the skis that I think sound best, demo them and buy them (if they work for me).  Would rather avoid demoing too many skis.  FWIW, A buddy of mine has K2 Apache Explorers that I'll try, too.

Thanks!
post #2 of 13
I am also looking at the watea 84's. I'll be curious to see what answers you get.
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Thread Starter 
Looking around more, I'm also considering Dynastar Sultan 85s.
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For a one-ski quiver, the 94s seem like the better choice for Colorado. They are a forgiving and easy turning ski.  The only caveat would be if you mount them flat they will be a little sluggish getting them on edge on the hardpack.  I love mine in all conditions, but I have a system binding, so I am raised up off the ski a bit, which helps with the angles and leverage when edging.   IMO, the 94s sidecut and flex make them a very good bump ski.  Obviously the narrower 84 would be a little quicker, but lacking the stability of the 94 as soon as you got off the packed.

I am certainly no expert on the subject, but I have always thought of the Watea 94 as a good everyday western ski, and the 84 as the choice for back east.
post #5 of 13

Nojonojo,

I ski most of the Summit County areas and own Line Prophet 100's and a pair of Dynastar Contact Limited's that I bought used at Colorado Ski and Golf for $200 (bindings incl) this past fall.  I've been up 10 times, and haven't wanted or needed my Prophets yet.  I've enjoyed the heck out of the Dynastars (122-72-102).

 

I wouldn't argue with mudfoot for a second, given he lives and, I assume skis in the Durango area - tons more snow and probably far less scraped off and hard (hard!) packed runs. Last year I spent most of the season trying many different ski's and was lucky to find new snow numerous times, but I kept coming back to the realization that I had to really search out deeper snow (where a 94+ waist would really shine).

 

So where do you ski the most? Tree's? Back bowls looking for fresh snow? Or on the mountain in the moguls and groomed slopes where there isn't always a ton of 6+ inches of new uncut snow (this isn't a bad thing and isn't an indicator that your not a good skier!)?

84 in the waist is not a skinny ski. I demoed (and bought - and then sold) the Watea 84. I skied it in powder and soft snow and LOVED it. Didn't like it at all on hard snow - too chattery (yes, there will be many that get indignant with that regarding the Watea, but to each his own style). So I went with a fatter ski for the days with more than 6 inches of powder, and picked up the Dynastars for the rest of the days - which have been almost all the Summit resorts have had to offer (until the last couple of storm systems).

post #6 of 13
Thread Starter 
I don't ski trees much.  I spend more time on groomed slopes and bumps than in back bowls or in powder (I've been skiing Eldora recently because it's got a good ski school for my kids, and I can't stand the thought of I-70 traffic from Denver with my kids (3 and 5) in the car).  In a couple of years, I'll be spending more time in Summit county, and will start to do bowls almost as much as groomers/bumps.

So I don't see nearly as much powder as mudfoot does.  Performance on groomed slopes and bumps will probably impact me the most, but I will see powder days and want to hit the powder when I see it.
post #7 of 13
I own both skis. The 84 is a very freindly ski that will do everything reasonably well. For bumps especially if they are hard (with no fresh snow) the 84 is much easier to ski than the 94. The 84 will edge lock carve nice turns on groomed snow. It's reasonably quick edge to edge especially for a 84mm waisted ski. I can do edge locked slalom flushes with them (although they are not ultra tight arcs). My biggest issue with the 84 is that the tips flap at speed especially in crud and chop at the end of the day, and it is worst on cut up snow on groomers (again at the end of the day). Hey you can't have everything and the 84 comes close. They actually ski better than they feel when the tips are flapping but this does bother me.

The 94 is probably my favorite ski right now. It is stiffer and more solid. I use it on snow days and the day after. Beyond that other skis are better and more fun to be on. The tips will not flap on the 94, you can straightline it through most everything and if you are in some fresh/softer snow (even if it is an an inch or two) it is very user freindly in bumps (but if they are hard it is much more work than the 84). It is a great crud busting ski and will power through crud and chop (far superior to the 84 in this). For it's width it is quite quick edge to edge. I can even do edge locked slalom flushes but they are on the slow side. In soft snow it will do everything and you can be quite agressive with it (not really with the 84). It will also carve nice edge locked arcs on groomed terrain in GS turns at speed.

I ski in Montana so the snow is simliar to Colorado. Both skis are very nice. It comes down to what you want more (a do everythng midfat 84) or a super soft snow ski that you can push (the 94). My sense is that there may be better do everything midfats like the Dynastar Sultan 85 or the Stockli Rotor 84. I have been on neither but the reviews and comments are excellent.

Hope that helps.
post #8 of 13

When I bought my Watea 94s Sierra Jim described them as the widest 50/50 ski you can get, which I think is an apt discription. If you want an all mountain ski with a preference for soft snow and crud, IMO you cannot do much better.  If you are really only going to use them in the deeper and cut up stuff more like 30% of the time, the 84s may be a better choice.

The OP sounded like he had already made his decision on the 84s.  They are both good skis, so it comes down to putting aside the wishful thinking and realistically assessing how you will be using them.

post #9 of 13
I like the 94's, but you sound like the 84's would be a better fit.  Now you need to ask, how long should I go with the Watea 84's?  What mounting point for the bindings?  We can talk all day, dude.
post #10 of 13
Thread Starter 
I think that I might be leaning toward Dynastar Sultan 85s now.  As far as the Wateas go, I think that 84 sounds like a better choice than 94 for what I need.  Thanks for all of the advice that everybody's given so far, and keep it coming if you've got more!
post #11 of 13
I've skied both the Watea 84 and the Sultan 85 and personally preferred the Watea by a large margin.  Hard to articulate exactly why, but I felt it was more forgiving and more fun.  I found it easier in the bumps and trees, yet fun to carve on the groomers.  I enjoy skiing bowls and chutes and doing some hiking, but the reality in my case is that the majority of my time is spent skiing lift served runs with either kids, wife or other friends who aren't as adventurous.  For this reason, I'm leaning towards a bit narrower ski, and so far, the Watea seems to fit the bill.

All that being said, I had a great experience on the Salomon Lords, which are a completely different animal.  I would like to try them and the Watea 84's back to back for comparison.
post #12 of 13
Another ski to possibly consider is the Hart One.

I skied the Hart One today and they made my Salomon Lords feel like crap. The Hart was quick edge to edge with very good edge hold. I was very surprised with the Hart being such a wide ski(132-96-122). In the bumps and on groomers they moved around just as easy as my park skis(Volkl Dogen) with a 81mm waist. You can drive the tip in the moguls and the tip will bite and start pulling you through the turn. The tail just hooks up and follows. It took a few runs to get used to the tail not breaking loose like on the Lords. The Hart excelled in the soft snow and cut up moguls. At speeds that I have to start shutting things down with my Lords the Hart wanted more and became more fun as I pushed them. They cut through crud very well. I think the Hart would be a blast to take through a GS course. The stability and edge hold made for a ski you could really trust at speed.
post #13 of 13
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Originally Posted by CR0SS View Post

Another ski to possibly consider is the Hart One.

I skied the Hart One today and they made my Salomon Lords feel like crap. The Hart was quick edge to edge with very good edge hold. I was very surprised with the Hart being such a wide ski(132-96-122). In the bumps and on groomers they moved around just as easy as my park skis(Volkl Dogen) with a 81mm waist. You can drive the tip in the moguls and the tip will bite and start pulling you through the turn. The tail just hooks up and follows. It took a few runs to get used to the tail not breaking loose like on the Lords. The Hart excelled in the soft snow and cut up moguls. At speeds that I have to start shutting things down with my Lords the Hart wanted more and became more fun as I pushed them. They cut through crud very well. I think the Hart would be a blast to take through a GS course. The stability and edge hold made for a ski you could really trust at speed.

I'm curious to hear more opinions on the Hart One / Hart The One.
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