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Is the 2007 Salomon Dumont good by 2010 standards?

post #1 of 11
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Here are the dimensions:

Dimensions:
[171cm] 117 / 83 / 110mm 
Turn Radius:
[171cm] 15.4m


Currently, I ride 2009 K2 Extremes, which have an underfoot of 85 and a turn radius of 21m.  I'm looking for a new ski since my brother is going to take my K2 Extremes.  Now, with those dimensions, would there be a noticeable difference?  Would it be an upgrade?  A downgrade?

I ski park and the whole mountain, and I like to make quick turns.  Would the 2007 Dumont's turn radius of 15.4m vs. the Extreme's 21m make that easier or harder?

I understand that the Dumont is a lighter ski, and for me, that's something I'm looking for.

So, since I can get them pretty cheap, should I get the 2007 Dumont or just buy another set of Extremes/PublicEnemy?

post #2 of 11
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Anyone?
post #3 of 11
Unless your Extremes are the 179cm size, your sidecut radius is shorter than 21m.  If you're going from 179cm Extremes (realize that K2 measures its twins differently than other manufacturers, so it is actually longer than another manufacturer's 179cm) to 171cm Dumonts, then that length difference is going to overwhelm all other effects.

If it's the 169cm Extremes, then it's 17m... which is not that much different than the 15.4m radius of the Dumonts.  Somebody else will have to tell you anything else about the Dumonts.
post #4 of 11
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Originally Posted by DtEW View Post

Unless your Extremes are the 179cm size, your sidecut radius is shorter than 21m.  If you're going from 179cm Extremes (realize that K2 measures its twins differently than other manufacturers, so it is actually longer than another manufacturer's 179cm) to 171cm Dumonts, then that length difference is going to overwhelm all other effects.

If it's the 169cm Extremes, then it's 17m... which is not that much different than the 15.4m radius of the Dumonts.  Somebody else will have to tell you anything else about the Dumonts.

You're right- Its 17, not 21.  My bad.

Asides from that...anyone know anything about this ski?
post #5 of 11
I owned the 08 version of the Dumont (which is the same as the 07) and some 07 PEs.  Of the two I like the Dumont way better but I had skis for conditions where the Dumont falls short of the PE in performance.  The Dumont is a stiffer, wood cored version of the Salomon 1080 Thruster.  It is lighter than the PE and skis lighter.  It is more fun to carve than the PE and a better mogul ski....one of my all-time favorites in moguls.  It does okay on icy groomers and in soft stuff.

The two areas where the Dumont falls short of the PE are in deeper powder (more than 4-6 inches) and in chattery icy conditions.  The PE has better float in powder.  It also is significantly damper on chattery ice.....the Dumont can be outright scary when it starts to chatter.

If you do get the Dumont be sure to mount it way back for all-mountain use.  They only put a park mount point on the ski.  It is 5 to 6 cm forward of where you would want it for everyday use.  I had mine mounted 5 cm back.
post #6 of 11
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Exactly what I was looking for- thanks, Rio.
post #7 of 11
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And one more question...for me, going park 40% and the rest of the mountain 60%, and I really want a ski that can also carve, which would be better:

2007 Dumont
2009 Suspect

Thanks, guys.
post #8 of 11
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Going to the shop tomorrow....bump....
post #9 of 11
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Okay...so I got the 171cm Dumonts....where should I mount them?

I ski probably 40% park, 60% groomers.

Would 2cm back from center be the best?  Further back? Or would that suck in the park?
post #10 of 11
The mount point on the Dumont is the park mount point.  On most skis they do a park mount point and a ride mount point.  The ride mount point is usually 5 to 6 cm back and is still a bit forward compared to all-mountain skis with similar widths.

The main advantage of the park mount is the ski will be more balanced when doing spinning maneuvers.  The balance becomes more important the faster the skier spins.  A novice won't notice the difference nearly as much.  The second advantage is the ski is more balanced landing switch.  Once again a novice isn't going to notice the difference as much since they don't usually land switch after taking big air.  There is some advantage for skiing switch but not much since the ski's sidecut isn't balanced between the tip and tail.

2 or 3 cm back will be a good compromise location but at the sacrifice of powder performance.  My son has my old 176 cm Dumonts mounted 5 cm back and has not problem landing 900s switch on them though he prefers his park mounted 1080s for the park.
post #11 of 11
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Originally Posted by Rio View Post

The mount point on the Dumont is the park mount point.  On most skis they do a park mount point and a ride mount point.  The ride mount point is usually 5 to 6 cm back and is still a bit forward compared to all-mountain skis with similar widths.

The main advantage of the park mount is the ski will be more balanced when doing spinning maneuvers.  The balance becomes more important the faster the skier spins.  A novice won't notice the difference nearly as much.  The second advantage is the ski is more balanced landing switch.  Once again a novice isn't going to notice the difference as much since they don't usually land switch after taking big air.  There is some advantage for skiing switch but not much since the ski's sidecut isn't balanced between the tip and tail.

2 or 3 cm back will be a good compromise location but at the sacrifice of powder performance.  My son has my old 176 cm Dumonts mounted 5 cm back and has not problem landing 900s switch on them though he prefers his park mounted 1080s for the park.

Thank you- powder performance won't be an issue- rarely ski true powder. 

I do spend some time in the park and I do land switch, but I figure that I can do just fine with a mount point 3cm back since my current skis are 5-6cm back and I don't swivel out too much.

I'll probably go 3cm from the park mount.

Thanks again, Rio- means a lot.
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