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Skidding it

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
I suppose it might seem a little strange that someone is asking about good ways to skid skis, but I am. It's not that I can't skid them; skidding is a lot easier to "teach yourself" (cough) than carving. But there are more efficient, less stressful ways of skidding, of that I am sure.

I'm actually not sure what I've been doing to skid my skis, but I'm pretty sure that I've been using the good ol', time-honored method of using my muscles to power the skis into a skid, at least when stopping. The results vary; sometimes I do it right and get the edges in just so, coming to a stop with a dramatic spray of ice. Most of the time I get the skis around but don't manage to let them bite quite right. I still stop, but it takes some two or three times the distance. There is noticeably less spray off the skis when I do this. Finally, I have been known to overpower my skis into the skid and end up slow, but sliding backwards! :

I find, interestingly enough, that I skid much better when I intentionally do it in a turn instead of a carve.

So my question is, what are good methods of skidding the skis without overpowering or underpowering them? What do I do in order to stop quickly (as I described above) and what are good methods to skid or slip in turns? And finally, how is it done on shaped versus straight skis? Thanks muchly,

post #2 of 13
Try keeping the skis a flatter as you get to the end of the turn, letting the skis gently float sideways instead of pushing them off to the side, and spraying snow.... Be patient and let'em scrape the snow gently for speed control, almost letting them side slip at the end of the turn to get the feeling. Try to avoid making the tails swish out.

It's natural to think that putting your edges up at a higher angle will slow you down, but it just makes you go fast in the direction your skis are pointing. Deflection instead of a turn.

Some of us call them "scarvy" turns, or a skidded carve. Lots of speed control, and a nice smooth "feel" to the turn. Effortless, too!

Having a lot of fun with this skiing thing, are ya?
post #3 of 13
Thread Starter 
Now that I think about it, more edging would make the skis more likely to carve rather than skid, wouldn't it ? Reminds of the time my friends took me down in the background, and I tried a skidding stop at the bottom of a steep incline. I was in backseat, and just ended up turning right toward my boarder friend :, but miraculousy I slowed a lot in the process, and my skis went right between his legs on the board :. Goes to show me...

Thanks for the skidding advice, SnoKarver [img]smile.gif[/img].

Oh, and yes, I'm loving the heck out of skiing. I wish we actually had some snow this season; I would've been the happiest skiier in the East, just with being able to SKI!

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ March 06, 2002 05:21 PM: Message edited 1 time, by Grolby ]</font>
post #4 of 13
Dchan mentioned some exercises in this thread that will help you get a feel for skid, how to initiate it, how to break it, etc. I love falling leaf excersise, especially now that I have raised tail on Atomics.
post #5 of 13
I did indeed give some exercises. Let me elaborate some more on why I find these helpful. We keep telling people that pure carved turns are the "ultimate goal" and often I find that customers get too "locked in" on that goal and all they work towards is that elusive carve. They Often they stop working on the subtle adjustments of using the ankles and light edge control to handle other situations. This usually (I find) leads to a very static way of skiing. The exercises I gave in the last post give a lot of options and hopefully make us all better skiers.

I also gave some of the results or goals of the exercises in the descriptions of the exercises.

Then again I'm only a level 1 / level 2 candidate. I'm more than happy to hear what all the other instructors have to say.
post #6 of 13
I'm with dchan.

Sure, carving is great. But lates face it folks, when skiing all-mountain, the story is different.

I'm starting to see way too many skiers getting lost on carving. Skiers showing up with these super powerful skis, but no skills. They think all they need is the short skis, the racing look, and that's it. The way I see it, they're nothing but train wrecks on short skis, with their sunglasses on the outside of their hat. "Incoming dorks, incoming dorks".

One needs to be able to ski the edges, don't get me wrong. A standard quote I have is, "ski the $500 part of the ski, not the $50 part".

But I just don't think that skiers should get all hooked up on carving. There's so much more to skiing. The best skiers I've ever seen are good carvers, no doubt. But the "scarve" is what you'll end up doing the most if you're skiing the whole mountain.

Then, you have to really know what your skis feel like flat, too. Like, just today I was practicing gliding on my skis. Neato thing to practice. Uh and BTW, I learned that one from watching Oz.

See there Barnes? Proof that I really can listen to someone else besides HH!

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ March 06, 2002 09:01 PM: Message edited 4 times, by SCSA ]</font>
post #7 of 13
Is the caterpillar starting to grow wings?
post #8 of 13
Grolby, edge control is a very important element in skiing. Putting more or less edge on the skis helps in maintaining balance, and allows you to vary the percentage of sideways slip compared to forward slide.

You also need to learn how to drift the tails or the tips. With skis fairly flat, backward lean will slide the tail more and forward lean will slide the tips more.

It is just the opposite when the edges are at a higher angle. In that case it is forward lean which will slip the tails more and backward lean will slip the tips.

The reason for this is that when the edges are set higher, a forward lean will make the tips bite harder while lightening the tails allowing them to "scarve", while on a flat edge it is simply the weight on the tip or tails which will make them drift.

What you are describing, I think, are hockey stops. To control them, just think of braking your car, less push on the edges means gentler slow down, hammering the edges hard will abruptly stop the skis from sliding sideways.

Straigh sideslips down a smooth moderately steep hill will give you the feel for it, let the skis slide sideways and gently increase the edges until you come to a stop, ALL THE WHILE KEEPING YOUR HIPS FACING DOWHILL AT ABOUT A 45 DERGEE ANGLE, DO NOT ALLOW THE HIPS TO ROTATE AROUND UNTIL YOU HAVE COME TO A COMPLETE STOP, OTHERWISE THAT HIP ROTATION WILL FLATTEN THE EDGES AND YOU WILL SLIDE AGAIN.

I put this in caps because it is the one fault which frustrates novices so much, may it be at a stop turn of the end of ANY turn.

The turn can be perfect but at the end the tails of the skis wash out because of hip rotation.

post #9 of 13
WOW! I can't believe what I'm reading. SCSA is onto the smearing of skis... I thought it was RR tracks everywhere for you. It's good to see you experiment on the dark side. now can you do a wedge chistie. if done properly plenty of skidding there too.

All the excersises Dchan explainded are excellent for all level skiers.

Dchan if you keep up the talk and can do the walk you won't have a problem with level II. I hope you get to cut loose and don't clinic too much.

post #10 of 13

I sure hope I can walk the walk too. I took a group of our instructors through the slide slip exercise and skidded turns when they asked me why I don't seem to complain when we hit the ice patches mixed with crud. I just "ride the skis across" even when we swapped skis and I had to ski on one of the other instructors skis that probably had not been tuned in months. The ice was more skidded than carved..

I showed them the edge control exercises and skidded turns and showed them that if you were on top and centered on the skis and not trying to "hang on to" the edges you could just ride them across that slick spot.

That was an eye opener for them.
post #11 of 13

I'm impressed with your improvements over the winter. Clinicing with high level skiers can be an eye opener.

I'm not sure how this comes across in type. I don't believe there is EVER ice in Tahoe. What you folks call ice we call hard pack. Ice is frozen water, you know what is in a hockey rink. I speak from experience. I used to teach at Homewood. I was there for three seasons in the mid 80's. I skied SV, AM, HV, Boreal, and KW, I NEVER saw ice. I heard locals complain of the icey conditions. I was always able to carve the snow Californians/ Nevadans call ice. You've skied here in the east once or twice, I know you've seen ice at some point here.

Keep up the progress.

post #12 of 13
I do not ski ice that often, but how about a bump run with 6 inches of fresh snow in the troughs and blue ice on the back sides. That was a real eye opener for me, last week at SR.
post #13 of 13

I understand what you say about not really seeing ice but we came close today. I was skiing across the top of Disney at Sugarbowl and even the super G race coaches were saying it was pretty close to east coast ice and several of them used to race back east. but you are right, we rarely even get close. I guess most of my experience with that "boiler plate" ice was in Whistler on the glacier. The day I did ski at Killington, there really was not much ice. Actually there was not much of anything....
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