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Any VIST skiers?

post #1 of 24
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A very good buddy lent me his 3 year old VIST DEMO SC (supercarve) skis for a day. It was the most remarkable ride on a ski I have ever experienced. The dimensions of 116/66/101 mark this as a balls to the wall carver, and indeed, it is. My daily ride is a Blizzard Supersport in 167. Certainly no slouch and a ski that I have greatly enjoyed. But the VIST is is another dimension, literally and metaphorically. In 174cm, and with the VIST plate, it is a stiff bugger for me, at 173lbs and 5'9. That took a bit of getting used to. But put that ski on edge, bend it and it will carve deep into the earth's crust before giving way. On ice/hard....well, what ice/hard. Part of that was the killer tune my pal, who is a master, put on these beasts. Surprisingly, you can also toss it into short turns given its 14m radius. So a most peculiar ski - one with both strong GS and SL qualities. But what was most remarkable was the utter smoothness of the ride. Damp without being dead. Nothing phased this ski. Conditions, I have to say were perfect - packed powder and light snow that kept refreshing the trails. Certainly, not a ski for more than a few inches or crud. But for the East coast (Sugarloaf), it is a star.

Now this ski has no speed limit. Or if it does, I will never see it. I never thought my Supersonics did either until I put the VIST's on my feet. I was skiing at least 10mph faster than I ordinarily would. And felt good about it. I caught some air on a trail that I could ski blindfolded - I never catch air. But I have to say, by the end of the day, I was toast. These skis are some work. I wonder if the 167cm would be a better fit - what with the added stiffness with the VIST plate.
 
The next day I skied with the Supersonics. They seemed well, rather flimsy. Quicker for certain, but almost skittish. Definitely not the heft, stability or tenacity. While the Supersonics were "deferential," the VIST's had expectations. I rather liked that. Made me stay on my game. If I can ski these all day, and well, I will be a better skier.
And so now I am looking at a pair of these remarkable VIST Front Side 2's which is the current incarnation of the ones I skied. They are expensive - like $1800 with plate and bindings - though not much more than what one would pay for a new pair of Kastles with plate and bindings (not that they are cheap).

I would like to hear from anyone who has lived with a pair of these, or has skied another model, particularly the VIST Crossover 3 - the mid fat in their line.
Have to say that this ski is one that is like a good coach - will make you better, and kick you in the ass in the process.
David
post #2 of 24
Vist makes a fine ski and paired with their plate and bindings, its the real deal. We use the Vist plate and bindings system on our skis because of the add performance. Paring the right plate and bindings to right ski equals an unforgettable ride.
Edited by J-Mansell - 1/28/10 at 7:54am
post #3 of 24
 There are a few "special" skis out there, Vist and Kastle are indeed some of them. Luciano Pannatti at Blossom produce skis for Vist along with a few other manufacturers. The 66 waisted ski that you skied is very special, but I prefer the 77 waisted ski that is 124/77/110 in dimensions, I believe as a Vist is is referred to as the "Free-3". I do agree with the previous posters that the Vist Speed-Lock is indeed the binding of choice for these skis. Comparing the 66 waisted Vist mounted with the SpeedLock Race to a Kastle RX70 Kti, is like comparing a Ferrari 360 to a Porsche 911 Turbo, you can't go wrong either way. 
post #4 of 24
Vist X-Free:  I have skied X-Frees (172) for 3 seasons.  They are between the new crossover II and cross over III.  They are fantastic skis and everyone who has skied on them loves them.  The ski is very smooth and almost soft vertically in the shovel, but very stiff torsionally and laterally.  I find no problem with very tight turns, or larger high speed turns.  The skis are also good in bumps (not great, but not a problem).   Some comparisons:

AC4 - this is the ski i had before the Vist, it is not as fast edge to edge, floats less, and is not as stable on ICE - the vist is better in all conditions, especially choppy or icy. 
Volkl Allstar - the Vist feels like a bigger more substantial version of this ski, but with good float.
 
Durability - They have held up very well.  there are some plastic parts on the bindings that look decorative and these have scratched up.  Functionally they are great.

These skis also run fast, they claim they use a higher end base material - I don't know, but they run very fast in all but wet conditions.

I agree with delibrate1, you ski faster than on other skis, I think this is a perception because of the smooth feel due to the way the shovel absorbs.    I have also noticed it is more sensitive to tune that some other skis.  You notice quickly if it needs sharpened.

Level 8-9 east coast skier, 210#, 6',
post #5 of 24
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Originally Posted by deliberate1 View Post

Conditions, I have to say were perfect - packed powder and light snow that kept refreshing the trails.

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The next day I skied with the Supersonics. They seemed well, rather flimsy. Quicker for certain, but almost skittish. Definitely not the heft, stability or tenacity. While the Supersonics were "deferential," the VIST's had expectations. I rather liked that. Made me stay on my game. If I can ski these all day, and well, I will be a better skier.

Hey D. If you're looking for a dedicated ski only for hard groomed, looks like you've found them, if you can afford them. I have not tried any Vists, including those, so I can't opine usefully. Therefore I'll keep talking.   If you are expecting to get rid of the Blizzards and ski the Vists instead, in even slightly varied conditions - mild bumps, variable surface, serious steeps, etc., it would probably pay to test them in those conditions too, first. I have skied on skis that felt somewhat like what you describe with the Vists - including my old Fischer RCs with a very heavy plate/binding setup - and subsequently found that while they were stunning on consistent hard snow, they were really no fun AT ALL for a lightweight like me for a short run through the bumps or in even a couple of inches of soft snow.  When I went to the Supersonics I made a calculated decision to trade some stability and grip for some versatility. And there are, for sure, times when I miss the stability at high speed. So I do understand your "skittish" comment. However, another side of the picture for me is that - at least at my strength and weight - I'm actually turning in better race times on the more "skittish" skis. I think it's precisely because they're lighter and quicker and I can make micro (or macro) adjustments faster and more safely and more confidently, because I'm skiing the skis and not vice-versa. There are times when it's fun to ride a big solid freeride bike, but I'm actually a much better rider when I'm on a nimble XC bike, if that analogy makes sense. Something to think about, perhaps.
post #6 of 24
      I have a pair of Vist Team Speedlock that I bought in the Spring of 2006 (and yes they were expensive), so my first season was 2007.  The dimensions are 116-66-101.  I love 'em and your description is quite apt.  I've used them in Colorado, California, and, egad, Wisconsin and Illinois (I really need to move).  I have yet to see another pair.
       I don't ski terribly hard, but keep trying to change that.     
       I believe that the only place in the U.S. where you can get these is in Denver, but I don't know much about him. He occasionally lists Vist skis on eBay.  I've never seen any other listings on eBay for them.  
     I bought mine from Lou Rosenfeld, Lou's Performance Center,in Calgary, www.lous.ca.  I've never met Lou, although we have spoken over the phone a number of times.  I highly recommend him. Great guy.  I bought the skis, sight unseen, and away we go.  Well worth it.
       BTW, my brother-in-law pointed me to this discussion and now I've joined the group.
post #7 of 24
Thread Starter 
JohnH91, welcome aboard. Pretty auspicious first post - mentioning your own experience on VIST's and all .Glad you were able to confirm my impressions after only a brief romp on them.
The VIST world is a small one. I have corresponded with Lou but believe he is no longer a rep. Fellow named Mike Manegia in Stratton, VT sells them, and I just got a lead on a guy in Colorado as well.
Have been learning a fair amount about this label and the rather incestuous world of ski manufacturing in the meantime. Rumor has it that there is a factory in Italy (Blossom?) that makes the ski with, shall we say, very similar DNA. For example, your ski and the one I skied has the same dimensions as  the current VIST Frontside 2, Hart Phoenix and a Spoilt ski. I saw a pair of Harts this afternoon (not Phoenix) that said Made in Italy, Designed in US. Also the Hart Pulse has the same dimensions as the VIST X Free, and it gets rave reviews, as does it apparent twin. Rather fascinating that you literally may be able to buy the very same ski (with topsheet variation) for a totally different price point. The Harts are a fraction of the price of the VIST's. And that is why I am looking at those - albeit with VIST plates. They have a Speedlock system that allows literally instantaneous removal of bindings. One set for multiple skis = amazing. Though one fellow I have corresponded with had some issues with the plate/binding on a softer flexing VIST and he went with the Marker setup.
Thanks for your post,
David
post #8 of 24

AKA, Blossom Flere:

 

http://www.blossomski.com/

post #9 of 24
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AKA, Blossom Flere:

 

http://www.blossomski.com/


Bingo.
I wonder how close the VIST Frontside 2/Hart Phoenix/Blossom Flere are. Same factory. Same dimensions. Same ski underneath?
post #10 of 24
        You're a wealth of information.
         I'm curious if Lou said why he isn't a dealer in Vist skis any longer.  I believe that he had stated on his website that he had quit carrying Goode skis because of quality concerns.
         By the way, for anyone trying to get an idea of size for the skis, I am about 5'10" and 150 pounds and, as I mentioned, th Vist skis are 174s.
               
post #11 of 24
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Bingo.
I wonder how close the VIST Frontside 2/Hart Phoenix/Blossom Flere are. Same factory. Same dimensions. Same ski underneath?
It seems like they would probably be the same thing, but there's no reason they couldn't have different materials inside even if they came out of the same mold. Even if they are made with the same materials, how they are treated after they pop them out of the mold will matter too. (but if I had to guess.... same ski)
post #12 of 24
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Bingo.
I wonder how close the VIST Frontside 2/Hart Phoenix/Blossom Flere are. Same factory. Same dimensions. Same ski underneath?


 Same skis, along with the Hart Desire and Hart Phenom and there is also a Spoilt ski that is the same also, although I don't recall what model it is. 
post #13 of 24
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 Same skis, along with the Hart Desire and Hart Phenom and there is also a Spoilt ski that is the same also, although I don't recall what model it is. 


This one. Notice the 116/66/101 signature.
http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/54809/spoilt-racecarve-179cm-2007
post #14 of 24

Delibrate1,

 

Love to see you ski with those new skis!

 

Where do you ski!

 

Love my VISTs

post #15 of 24

I got a pair for next season...with Hart Javelin GS graphics.

post #16 of 24

I was at Okemo in March this year and there was a shop in Ludlow that was carrying VIST skis.  I was very impressed with the overall quality of construction and look of these skis.  If I hadn't already filled out my quiver for the the 2010 season, I would have picked up a pair of the VIST carvers.

post #17 of 24
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I was at Okemo in March this year and there was a shop in Ludlow that was carrying VIST skis.  I was very impressed with the overall quality of construction and look of these skis.  If I hadn't already filled out my quiver for the the 2010 season, I would have picked up a pair of the VIST carvers.


That is Totem Pole Ski Shop. 

 

 

I heard a rumor that Blossom might be trying to market their skis in the U.S. under their own name. Stay tuned. 

post #18 of 24

Delibrate 1 is right on the mark as far as those skis! I have several skis and once on the VIST I could notice a quantum difference! The three factors I noticed were; stability, silky smoothness and very very precise edge set! Rare to have all three factors on one skis!

 

Just a very enjoyable ski to ski on!

 

For you more "technical" skiers I also have; Head Super Shapes, Fischer WC SL, Fischer WC GS,  Rossignol WC SL, Head WC SL, Elan WC SL, Elan Wavemasters,,,all great great skis, however these VISTs seem to have a tad more stability (yes even over WC units), more silkiness, more ,,,,,,,,,,,well just more in the  "all round dimension"! The other skis were better in one factor,,that is their narrow "specialty" range but to have all three parameters in one ski! None had it!

Now that is just my opinion!
 

post #19 of 24
Thread Starter 

What better thing to do on a gorgeous day on the coast of Maine than to buy a new pair of skis. Was trolling on the Bay. Had been looking for months for a used pair of VIST's, ever since I tried my pal's SC DEMO's and wrote about them in this thread. Saw and bought a pair of used VIST TEAM RC in 174 for $249. Not sure what kind of shape they are in - but the seller permits full return. For that price, just the plates and bindings are worth keeping. The ski is the classic VIST race carver cut - 116/66/101. They have made a ski with those dimensions for the past several years. Same cut as one of the current Front Side models. Is the same cut as the SC DEMO's I reviewed above. And is the same as a current Blossom model and Hart Phoenix. I got me a pair of the Harts last January but was not able to ski on them before crashing on Valentine's Day. The cupid delivered me up a Bankart tear (dislocation) and partial tear of the supraspinatus (rotator cuff). Will be real interesting to see how similarly the Phoenix and VIST RC ski, particularly with the VIST plates and bindings I got from Philpug for them. Will report back. But, for now, there are miles to go before I ski....

David 

post #20 of 24

If anyone is interested in a pair of Vist skis or a Blossom skis send me a note. I have some that have not been used.. 

post #21 of 24

i ski on the 165-ish Flere w/ Vsit speedlock.  i ski almost exclusively @ sunday river maine, btw.  in case anyone is around to swap gear.

 

;-)

post #22 of 24
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         I'm curious if Lou said why he isn't a dealer in Vist skis any longer.  I believe that he had stated on his website that he had quit carrying Goode skis because of quality concerns.
         
               

 

 

      The story I heard ( from the new distr. @ Stratton Vt.) is that VIST in Italy was not happy with the numbers that Lou was posting vis-a-vis sales so he lost the line. Keep in mind that was the story from the new guy.

 

Just my 2 cents!

post #23 of 24

Interesting first post.

 

As the thread is fairly old, you may not be aware Blossom IS now distributed in the US directly.

 

Welcome to the forum.

post #24 of 24
Yes, I am
Thank you - I believe the distributor is in very close proximity to the VIST distributor near Stratton VT. Also there is a Canadian Blossom distr in Montreal.
So it looks like they are being well represented in N.A.
Seems that some of the equivalent Hart skis ( made in Blossom factory ) are half the price of the Blossoms.
The only reason I've become interested in this is because Kneissl has disappeared from the landscape....
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