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Suggestions for a ski that is stable at fast speeds, 98mm + underfoot, and also can zipline through a mogul run or at least turn quickly?

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
6'2, 170, level 8+ skier

Demoed the Gotamas, ridiculously stable at high speeds, but just couldnt get it around quick enough on a mogul run.

Then Demoed the Salomon Lords which were surprisingly good in the powder, awesome in the moguls, but gave me no confidence at high speeds.

Anyone know if you can get the Mantras around really quickly in the moguls? Obviously it depends on the level of skier, but would they get around as quickly as say, the Pro Riders? I am not a mogul only skier but with conditions the way they are in Colorado, nearly every double black is a mogul run and I do have fun skiing them. Other than that I like full speed GS turns. Maybe my ski doesnt exist! 



 
post #2 of 13
quicker than pro riders, but your two qualities are mutually exclusive: speed and mogulls. stiffness for speed, softness for bumps.
post #3 of 13
Mantra's are actually pretty good in bumps, pretty good at speed, pretty good on groomers, pretty good in powder, pretty good in crud - jack of all trades but master of none.  There are better specialist skis for every type of terrain but if you ski in the real world, where conditions vary all the way down the mountain, they are really hard to beat for a resort ski.
post #4 of 13

Agree with dingy.  The Mantras are hard to beat, ski them myself (177cm, me 5'10" 165lbs) and they'll take you anywhere/anytime with confidence.  The Gotama is a little softer and probably better in bumps though.  Other skis that come to mind that may be worth a look:  Volkl Bridge, Scott Punisher, Line Prophet 90/100, Liberty Hazmat, 4FRNT MSP.  All are Twin Tips but none have the early rise (although slight) of the Lord.  That's where the Lord's stability loss is traded for Pow performance.

post #5 of 13

I'm comparing the Mantra to last years Gotama, not the new rockered version which I haven't skied.  Glad to here it has stability at speed as I was skeptical.

post #6 of 13
Check out the Rossi Phantom 97.
post #7 of 13
 I demo'd 170 Mantras and found them quite acceptable on the bumps at Wolf Creek on 1/1/10. I zipper lined the top of Gun Barrel 6 or 7 times and the Mantras snapped around quick enough for me. I only weigh 140 lbs, but I found, in the pockets of waist deep snow in the trees, I could drive the tips far, far down into the snow. I wanted to try the 177s, but didn't have the opportunity. I did find, in the bumps, that my stance is too close for wide skis. I took some nice gouges out of my almost new boots.

I ended up buying 178 Watea 94s because they're similar, but lighter (and I got a smokin' deal from Holiday on them.) I think they're also a little softer in the shovel than the Mantras, so I'm hoping the tips will ride a little higher in deep snow. I can't comment on the Wateas yet, because I haven't skied them.
post #8 of 13
 If you didn't like the Gotama's (pre-rocker is my experience) in the bumps, you probably won't like the Mantra's. I have both and the Gotama is actually better in the bumps (less sidecut and softer).
Edited by seattle_sun - 1/27/10 at 10:22pm
post #9 of 13
new rockered katanas or goats. or bridge if you insist on a cambered ski

gotamas can ski bump fine IMO you were doing something wrong..
post #10 of 13
Scott P4   I think it achieves the combination of being good at bumps and speed by having a stiff body with soft, early rising tip and tail.
post #11 of 13
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Originally Posted by colinel View Post

Demoed the Gotamas, ridiculously stable at high speeds, but just couldnt get it around quick enough on a mogul run.

Then Demoed the Salomon Lords which were surprisingly good in the powder, awesome in the moguls, but gave me no confidence at high speeds.

Anyone know if you can get the Mantras around really quickly in the moguls? Obviously it depends on the level of skier, but would they get around as quickly as say, the Pro Riders? I am not a mogul only skier but with conditions the way they are in Colorado, nearly every double black is a mogul run and I do have fun skiing them. Other than that I like full speed GS turns...................................................

Maybe my ski doesnt exist! 
 

Correct, it doesn't.

I have owned the Mantra and Gotama (2 pr each) and found the Gotama to be better at nearly everything (generally much better). The older Gotama is pretty good in moguls for a 105mm ski. But heck, it's 105mm wide....what do you expect?? You state that the Lord was great in moguls and good in powder for you and sounds like a fit except for the speed part. I buy all that but then why specifiy a 98+mm ski?? (the lord is 89mm). You're not making sense.

The previously mentioned Volkl Bridge (92mm) is Volkl's best all mountain ski and is more stable than the Lord but with a small expense in moguls. Powder performance is roughly similar. If you really think you need to have something over 98mm then here is a possibility.

Assuming that you skied the Gotama in 183, consider the line Prophet 100 in 179. It is somewhat more nimble than the 183 Gotama and won't give up much at speed when comparing the 179 Prophet to the 183 Gotama. The 186 P-100 is more ski and less nimble than the 183 Gotama.

SJ
post #12 of 13
Thread Starter 
 
Bottom line, I want a fatter ski (98mm+) and I was under the impression that the coverage (width) the Gotama's have were the reason I felt so much more comfortable at high speeds (especially under any crud). 

With the Lord's, I found myself checking my speed regularly (I like to go fast). 

I will check out some Lines as well. 

I ended up being able to get the Goats around in the moguls by the end of the day - I am sure after a week I would be fine. That being said, I would like something a little more nimble (but still wide) as 110mm underfoot is a little overkill as I am only 170lbs. Meaning, I would float on any 98mm ski just fine. 
post #13 of 13
I've owned the 2007, 2009 Mantra amd own the 2009 Gotama. The Goat is better at Powder and making bad terrain good. It is not as goos a carver but can carve and not as good at moguls by quite a bit IMO. In fact the 177 Mantra is a really good wide mogul ski and I'm talking zipper line.
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