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post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
Hi Everyone,

Appreciate any input on this, I've looked through some threads but couldn't find what I was looking for (pls point me in the right direction if I'm just having a stupid morning).

I'm 6'0" about 180lbs, looking for new skis. Its my third season skiing but I've gone 25 times just last season so I'm handling it quite well. I've long outgrown my current skis (Salomon X-Wing) and it took me a couple demo's to realise that.

As I started on moguls recently I want skis that can take me to a good level on that but also be great for powder. I tried out:
Volkl AC30 (favourites for groomed runs)
Volkl Grizzly
Volkl Mantra
Dynastar Sultan 85 (favourites for moguls)

Ideally I want a pair of skis that will be good on groomed runs, moguls, and powder, but from the looks of it I will need to get two pairs for that.

Can anyone recommend skis to demo which are similar to the Sultan 85's - great on moguls, great on powder, and still good on groomed?

Thanks for any suggestions in advance!

-V
post #2 of 18
Thread Starter 

Bump,

Help anyone?

post #3 of 18
So you preferred the Sultans to the Mantras?  What size of each did you try?
post #4 of 18
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Originally Posted by vstolpner View Post

Hi Everyone,

Appreciate any input on this, I've looked through some threads but couldn't find what I was looking for (pls point me in the right direction if I'm just having a stupid morning).

I'm 6'0" about 180lbs, looking for new skis. Its my third season skiing but I've gone 25 times just last season so I'm handling it quite well. I've long outgrown my current skis (Salomon X-Wing) and it took me a couple demo's to realise that.

As I started on moguls recently I want skis that can take me to a good level on that but also be great for powder. I tried out:
Volkl AC30 (favourites for groomed runs)
Volkl Grizzly
Volkl Mantra
Dynastar Sultan 85 (favourites for moguls)

Ideally I want a pair of skis that will be good on groomed runs, moguls, and powder, but from the looks of it I will need to get two pairs for that.

Can anyone recommend skis to demo which are similar to the Sultan 85's - great on moguls, great on powder, and still good on groomed?

Thanks for any suggestions in advance!

-V

from the soft end of the spectrum to the stiffer end.

K2 extreme -best in bumps, better in powder than the 8.7 and Ac50 about the same on hardpack as the bridge while being 'quicker" 
Volkl Bridge - good all around little bit better in powder than any of the others
Blizzard 8.7 - perfect if you can drive it)
Volkl Ac50 -too stiff for powder IMO)
post #5 of 18
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Originally Posted by vstolpner View Post


Can anyone recommend skis to demo which are similar to the Sultan 85's - great on moguls, great on powder, and still good on groomed?

Thanks for any suggestions in advance!

-V

It sounds as if the Sultan was a pretty good fit. In what way would you want to improve on it, and what would you sacrifice to gain that improvement?

For example, the Fischer Watea 84 would be even better in Moguls than the Sultan and fine on soft groomers but would sacrifice on harder snow.

SJ
post #6 of 18
Thread Starter 
I'm ok sacrificing the harder snow as I'm planning on having two sets (AC30/AC50 being the likely candidates for those).

Mostly I'm just looking at skis to demo. And I definitely preferred the sultans, I found the Mantras difficult to control on moguls.

I'll definitely have to try the K2 Extremes, and the Fischer Watea 84s.

I've also heard a lot about Gotomas, Monsters, Bandits and Peak 82's, any thoughts on those?
post #7 of 18
You are bouncing around like a BB in a boxcar here and I think you could use some focus.

First are you skiing East, MidWest, or West?

If you are an eastie and you're going to have an AC-30 or 50 as your first ski, it makes no sense at all to buy a Sultan as your second ski. (Sultan would be very good as a #1, but as a #2, it's a little too close to the Volkls)

If you live and ski mostly in the west, it makes little sense to buy either AC as your first ski. Here the Sultan is a clear winner as the #1.

So.............regardless of where you live, you're looking at an 80-85mm ski as your #1, and you have three different priorities, groomers, moguls and powder.Your #1 ski should be good on groomers and in moguls. (Sultan is the better choice here) This choice then frees you up to select a wider ski for your #2 with an eye toward powder conditions and without worrying about the mogul thing. There are many choices and you should choose according to how deep your conditions regularly are, whether you want want a ski that is primarily powder oriented, or maybe a wide ski that could still have some everyday application.

SJ
post #8 of 18
Thread Starter 
Hi SJ,

I am not very knowledgeable on the difference between all the skis and how each characteristic affects the hadling, so you're right, I'm a little left, right and center on the issue.

I am skiing on the Western mountains, and I guess I was considering two #1 skis. But currently the closest ski I found to do what I want is the Sultans.I do want these skis to be able to handle some powder, so a slightly wider waist is what I am looking at.

Which of the above skis would be closest to the Sultans so I can try out something else before settling on a decision?

And what length would you recommend? (I am 180cm)

Thx,

-V

post #9 of 18
I'm gonna suggest something from a different tact. With 3 yrs and some good amount of days under you belt, you're prolly starting to get some good feel for the snow. But if you are skiing some areas with 'Big Mtn' features and terrain, then you'll likely hit just about every condition/terrain combination out there.
Everything I've read about the Sultans tags them as a super allrounder.
Maybe rather than tryin to sus out a whole quiver for matchin everything to the N'th degree; go 'Old School'; take the Sultans and ski them on everything you encounter for the season. Along the way you'll become familar with everything they are and more importantly, continue to develop a refined, real feel for how a mtn shapes up on any day. At 85 cm, the Sultans are hardly narrow, nor are they really wide. In any case, it doesn;t seem you're likely to hit any days where the Sultans are going to be inappropriate.
Ski them for a season, and when the mood strikes, demo some other skis along the way.
Skiin is about the NOW, the moment, the magic time of skiing. Having just the sultans will help focus just on the 'now' of skiing, not what might be 'if'...
maybe after a full season on the sultan's you'' have a point of camparison.
...you don't want me to suggest a size, I'm still into and luvin length, a 180 is still my idea of a 'short' ski

...just sayin...
post #10 of 18
where do you ski
post #11 of 18
Thread Starter 
Whistler, Cypress, Sun Peaks, I plan to ski as many mountains on the West Coast as I can.
post #12 of 18
Going by the comment regarding the Mantra in the bumps, should consider the Salomon Lord. Had a great time in Taos with them. The Mantra is great when the bumps are soft but the Lord is much more forgiving once the bumps get icy.
post #13 of 18
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Originally Posted by vstolpner View Post



I am skiing on the Western mountains, and I guess I was considering two #1 skis. But currently the closest ski I found to do what I want is the Sultans.I do want these skis to be able to handle some powder, so a slightly wider waist is what I am looking at.

 


Yes you were, and to an extent you still are. If you are looking to buy two skis, then don't buy them any closer than 10 cm or so. Don't buy two #1s. If you just want to test another ski in order to find the best 85mm (ish) ski, then this all makes at least some sense. BTW, when you say a slightly wider waist....wider than what....the Sultan? Don't worry about a few mm of waist width. Within a given range of widths (say 85-90 ish) the operative differences will have more to do with flex than a few silly millimeters.

So your list is still all over the map with a Gotama @ 106mm and Rocker, a Bandit that hasn't been made for some years (and BTW which Bandit??) Monsters?? also discontinued and besides, which one?? The only skis on your list that are even close to the category are the K2 and the Peak 82.

So....Watea 84 will be a touch better than the Sultan in deeper snow and easier in bumps. It will be worse on harder snow and less stable at speed. The K2 Extreme will have about the same range of capabilities as the Watea. The Peak will be fairly similar to the Sultan.

SJ
post #14 of 18
Thread Starter 
By "slightly wider waist" I mean something that could handle some powder - my current skis are too narrow for it. So 85-90mm I think would satisfy that.

Ok, so by the sounds of it I need to test out:
- Watea 84 (primarily)
- Peak 82
- K2 Extreme
And see how they all stack up with the Sultan's.
post #15 of 18
Thread Starter 
Everyone's been very helpful so far, and I decided to go with the Sultan 85's.

I do have one more question though - bindings?
I've been looking for 165cm's and it seems there is a difference of about $150 for the Fluids with PX12 bindings. Is there a benefit of buying the bindings separately? And which bindings would go with these skis?

Thanks in advance!!!!
post #16 of 18
There is no major difference in bindings. There are minor differences for sure but nothing life changing either way. We are currently selling flat Sultan 85's w/PX 12s for $549 because we have good margins on both products. It happens that if we had to sell the system version, it would run about $75 more. Same ski, same binding, the difference is that we have bought the individual components cheaper than the system.

SJ
post #17 of 18
Thread Starter 
Are there any bindings you would recommend over the PX12's?
I'm thinking as far as safety goes, or adjustability?
post #18 of 18
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Are there any bindings you would recommend over the PX12's?
I'm thinking as far as safety goes, or adjustability?

Nope.

SJ
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