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post #1 of 25
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Hi,

I'm 5'4" ~175lbs., I'm looking for a pair of skis that I can rip through the mountains on New England. I started skiing 12-13 years ago, took a few years off and snowboarded, and now I'm back. I'm confident going down blacks and some double blacks in any condition on the groomers but would like to explore a variety of terrain. I've been going to Sunday River, Stowe, Loon, Attitash, Wildcat, etc. so I don't really have a home mountain, I like to go to different mountains. I also plan a trip to Tahoe this year. So what should I be looking at for new skis?

Thanks.
post #2 of 25
Thread Starter 
Also I was looking at getting 08/09 Volkl Mantra w/ Marker Jester Schizo bindings (centered for groomers, moved back for powder), but I've been reading that the Mantra might be too wide of a ski for the East Coast mountains. Any advice?
post #3 of 25
What kind of skiing do you do/ like?  Also what level skier are you?
post #4 of 25
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Originally Posted by Nahmeanz View Post

Also I was looking at getting 08/09 Volkl Mantra w/ Marker Jester Schizo bindings (centered for groomers, moved back for powder), but I've been reading that the Mantra might be too wide of a ski for the East Coast mountains. Any advice?
 

   I don't think it would be to wide for the East. I own P90s and they are fine I use them as my everyday ski. They are just superb on harpack and ice as well as pow.  I do eventually plan on getting a wider ski for powder days and for trips out west. I see people skiing on 100mm + wide skis all the time...I even saw some guys skiing on a pair of Pontoons and Kuros! I think the Mantra  would be a good all around ski for what you want to do. Its wide enough to handle the pow but stiff enough to handle hardpack and high speeds. Only thing is it might not be the best choice if you like super quick turns or moguls. You might want to consider the Volkl Bridge as well...
post #5 of 25
The wider the better, especially if you ski in the East.
post #6 of 25
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The wider the better, especially if you ski in the East.

Huh????  That would be the wider the better if you ski in the WEST!!!! And on powder/crud days.
 

I think there is a real prejudice on this site against narrower-waisted carvers -- it's as if width is now the way you label yourself as a good skier, as once, long ago, length was the way you declarer your skill.  But if you are looking to ski Eastern conditions (hardpack, ice, re-frozen), you need some torsional stiffness and sidecut.  Obviously, there are preferences, but I'd personally never recommend a ski larger than 85 mm at the waist for an everyday ski here.  And, BTW, at least I live and ski here.

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Originally Posted by Eric S View Post

The wider the better, especially if you ski in the East.


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Huh????  That would be the wider the better if you ski in the WEST!!!! And on powder/crud days.
 

I think there is a real prejudice on this site against narrower-waisted carvers -- it's as if width is now the way you label yourself as a good skier, as once, long ago, length was the way you declarer your skill.  But if you are looking to ski Eastern conditions (hardpack, ice, re-frozen), you need some torsional stiffness and sidecut.  Obviously, there are preferences, but I'd personally never recommend a ski larger than 85 mm at the waist for an everyday ski here.  And, BTW, at least I live and ski here.

Please see skier232's post above, he knows all about Eastern skiing and if he says wide skis are great for the East, then they must be.
BTW, I skied in New England for 30 years before I moved out West and I have a pair of 70 mm skis in my modest quiver that I use for the occasional groomer day in New Mexico but I would never disagree with skier232 on such matters, AND the OP seems to want wide skis. If I were still in NE, I would ski on 70 mm Progressor 9+ and 85 mm Salomon Fury but that's just me.
 
post #8 of 25
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Originally Posted by Eric S View Post

The wider the better, especially if you ski in the East.


 

Please see skier232's post above, he knows all about Eastern skiing and if he says wide skis are great for the East, then they must be.
BTW, I skied in New England for 30 years before I moved out West and I have a pair of 70 mm skis in my modest quiver that I use for the occasional groomer day in New Mexico but I would never disagree with skier232 on such matters, AND the OP seems to want wide skis. If I were still in NE, I would ski on 70 mm Progressor 9+ and 85 mm Salomon Fury but that's just me.
 

  IMO  Why would you own a 70mm waisted ski and a 85mm waisted ski??? For all mountain use all you would need was the 85mm...A ski of this width or even a wider would preform more then good enough for all mountain use in the east. Like I said I ski the P90, I also own a pair of 70mm waisted skis. The 70mm skis are good on groomers hardpack and ice and stink in the pow. The 90mm skis are good on groomers hardpack and ice and kill it in the pow. So why would you buy a ski skinnier then 80mm unless you race or are going to strictly be using it for hardpack and ice??? There is now point in it. Wider skis are so much more versatile when it comes to all mountain and big mountain skiing. Because of there width they are also stable platforms for doing ticks in the park, or dropping cliffs in the backcountry. That is partly the reason I switched and got wider skis...And last time I checked they usually isn't a lot of pow in the park and pipe. They make park skis wide for a reason you know. Also I strongly disagree that width is a way to label yourselves as a good skier. Yes maybe some people do but I think most have come to the conclusion that wider skis are just all around better skis because they can do more. I'm not sure how old you guys are but it seems that younger "free skiers" like myself are embracing the new technologies of wide skis, twin tips, rockered skis ect. Maybe you are part of the older generation and still cant believe that a ski over 80mm is possibly going to do well as an every day ski( especially on the East coast). Well believe it. Also you are right when saying I know more about wide skis. Because you people have clearly showed you know nothing about wide skis...Most people agree that these technologies have change even saved skiing! A lot of people also believe that the younger free skiers are the future of the ski industry and skiing......
post #9 of 25
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  IMO  Why would you own a 70mm waisted ski and a 85mm waisted ski??? For all mountain use all you would need was the 85mm...A ski of this width or even a wider would preform more then good enough for all mountain use in the east. Like I said I ski the P90, I also own a pair of 70mm waisted skis. The 70mm skis are good on groomers hardpack and ice and stink in the pow. The 90mm skis are good on groomers hardpack and ice and kill it in the pow. So why would you buy a ski skinnier then 80mm unless you race or are going to strictly be using it for hardpack and ice??? There is now point in it. Wider skis are so much more versatile when it comes to all mountain and big mountain skiing. Because of there width they are also stable platforms for doing ticks in the park, or dropping cliffs in the backcountry. That is partly the reason I switched and got wider skis...And last time I checked they usually isn't a lot of pow in the park and pipe. They make park skis wide for a reason you know. Also I strongly disagree that width is a way to label yourselves as a good skier. Yes maybe some people do but I think most have come to the conclusion that wider skis are just all around better skis because they can do more. I'm not sure how old you guys are but it seems that younger "free skiers" like myself are embracing the new technologies of wide skis, twin tips, rockered skis ect. Maybe you are part of the older generation and still cant believe that a ski over 80mm is possibly going to do well as an every day ski( especially on the East coast). Well believe it. Also you are right when saying I know more about wide skis. Because you people have clearly showed you know nothing about wide skis...Most people agree that these technologies have change even saved skiing! A lot of people also believe that the younger free skiers are the future of the ski industry and skiing......
Nice rant. I have 70 mm skis for speed skiing on hardpack groomed only,  76 mm skis for everyday groomer, bump and tree skiing that I use about 80% of the time. I am going to up grade my 76s to something in the 78 to 85 (Head Peak 78 or 82, Fischer Watea 84 or Salomon Fury 85) range next season. I also have a pair of 101 mm skis that I love for the deep days. I own the 70s because nothing beats a skinier race cut ski for the ocassional hardpack carving day. If 90 mm skis were great cavers, then they would be used for WC racing. I agree that there are a lot of 80 to 95 mm "all mountian" skis out there that do a lot of things good but they do nothing great. If I had to choose one ski only for the East, it would be in the 75 to 80 mm range, one only for the West 80 to 90 mm range. If that makes me old and out of touch, then so be it.
post #10 of 25
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Nice rant. I have 70 mm skis for speed skiing on hardpack groomed only,  76 mm skis for everyday groomer, bump and tree skiing that I use about 80% of the time. I am going to up grade my 76s to something in the 78 to 85 (Head Peak 78 or 82, Fischer Watea 84 or Salomon Fury 85) range next season. I also have a pair of 101 mm skis that I love for the deep days. I own the 70s because nothing beats a skinier race cut ski for the ocassional hardpack carving day. If 90 mm skis were great cavers, then they would be used for WC racing. I agree that there are a lot of 80 to 95 mm "all mountian" skis out there that do a lot of things good but they do nothing great. If I had to choose one ski only for the East, it would be in the 75 to 80 mm range, one only for the West 80 to 90 mm range. If that makes me old and out of touch, then so be it.

   Thank you nice rant yourself. ...Remember I didn't say wider skis where better at carving then skinny skis.What I meant to say was they can carve just as well as a lot of skinnier skis. My P90s are very stiff and have a very generous amount of sidecut. So do a lot of other wider skis like them. Yeah they are not going to carve on hardpack like a high end race ski. But for all mountain use they are fine. Cause maybe you are forgetting that that is what the OP was talking about "all mountain skis" And if a 90mm + ski sucks so bad on ice and groomers then why do so many people own and ski them in those conditions???  Remember what I said about park and pipe skiing. Width is more then just float in pow brotha...
post #11 of 25
You can't go only by waist.  Consider radius and tip/tail with also.

I was on a pair of Nodica HotRod Modified 74mm R=16m.

I added a pair of Head Supershape Magnum 70mm R=13.5m to the quiver as I wanted something carvier for hard pack days.

Hold them back to back and the Head's are indeed 4mm narrower at the waist but they are about 3-4mm wider at the tip and 2-3mm wider at the tail.  As far as surface area, the two skis are about them same, the Head may actual have schmidgen more surface area even though they have a narrower waist.
post #12 of 25
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You can't go only by waist.  Consider radius and tip/tail with also.

I was on a pair of Nodica HotRod Modified 74mm R=16m.

I added a pair of Head Supershape Magnum 70mm R=13.5m to the quiver as I wanted something carvier for hard pack days.

Hold them back to back and the Head's are indeed 4mm narrower at the waist but they are about 3-4mm wider at the tip and 2-3mm wider at the tail.  As far as surface area, the two skis are about them same, the Head may actual have schmidgen more surface area even though they have a narrower waist.
 
 
   Good point glad you brought that up...My Prophets have a turning raduis of 16m...
post #13 of 25
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Width is more then just float in pow brotha...
 
Just to show you how out of touch I am, I believe anything between 90 and 100 is useless. 75 to 90 good all mountain width, crud, trees, bumps and groomer performance. 90 to 100, useless bulk. > 100 good for the deep. Park and pipe? Niche skiing, I have nothing against it, looks like great fun but I don't consider skis that are truly made for that are really any good for anything else.
post #14 of 25
Each ski is designed for a type of skier, type of condition and type of use. People tend to really like a categories of ski, claiming its the best (and it might be for that person). Some people claim they can ski powder better on 74mm, while others claim to ski hard conditions better on 90mm. If fact, some do ski extremely well on mid 70's in powder and 90+ on ice. With all this said, for the average skier, something in the low 70's to the low 80's is going to give you more performance on typical east cost conditions.  Since you are exploring different terrain and might do some skiing out west, I would looks at skis from the mid 70's to the mid 80's.  Other factors also play into the right ski for you, length, side cut and stiffness. These are hard to make a suggestion for, it depends on how you ski and what you like a ski to feel like. If I were to assume some things from your post, I would think you would work well on a stiffer ski and less side cut. Good luck finding your skis
post #15 of 25
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Each ski is designed for a type of skier, type of condition and type of use. People tend to really like a categories of ski, claiming its the best (and it might be for that person). Some people claim they can ski powder better on 74mm, while others claim to ski hard conditions better on 90mm. If fact, some do ski extremely well on mid 70's in powder and 90+ on ice. With all this said, for the average skier, something in the low 70's to the low 80's is going to give you more performance on typical east cost conditions.  Since you are exploring different terrain and might do some skiing out west, I would looks at skis from the mid 70's to the mid 80's.  Other factors also play into the right ski for you, length, side cut and stiffness. These are hard to make a suggestion for, it depends on how you ski and what you like a ski to feel like. If I were to assume some things from your post, I would think you would work well on a stiffer ski and less side cut. Good luck finding your skis

 are you talking to the OP or me??? 
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 If I were to assume some things from your post, I would think you would work well on a stiffer ski and less side cut. Good luck finding your skis

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 are you talking to the OP or me??? 

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post #17 of 25
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Just to show you how out of touch I am, I believe anything between 90 and 100 is useless. 75 to 90 good all mountain width, crud, trees, bumps and groomer performance. 90 to 100, useless bulk. > 100 good for the deep. Park and pipe? Niche skiing, I have nothing against it, looks like great fun but I don't consider skis that are truly made for that are really any good for anything else.

    Thats fine that you have that opinion. Saying that all skis 90mm-100mm skis are completely useless is a little over the top. I and lots of other people ski skis that wide everyday. I ski mine in the groomers, bumps, trees, everywhere. They are great I love them! If you are more comfortable with skinnier skis thats good! I know people that would ski on old straight skis over newer shaped skis because they like the feel of the straight skis more.  Also I agree that true park skis are really not always the greatest for all mountain.
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ya but im not looking for skis...the OP is...
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ya but im not looking for skis...the OP is...
Yes, I know (we all know). You asked if J-Mansell's post was for you or the OP, and it would be hard to be any more clear that he's ignoring your rantings and addressing the OP, to try to make something useful of this thread, so it was just a little ego overkill on your part, that's all..

BTW, I don't see all 90+mm boards on the least coast when I'm there, and much over 80 seems like general overkill. No doubt core skiers like yourself (6-7 years on skis?) go with XXL's all the time. Mr. Mansell provides the most usefullness to the OP yet.

Also, I'm one of those OLD people who's picking up his new ObSETHed's this weekend at a great shop at WB, and it's many of us old farts who're FINANCING the new stuff, not little shavers who couldn't pick up a bill if it fell in their laps. Just FYI.
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Yes, I know (we all know). You asked if J-Mansell's post was for you or the OP, and it would be hard to be any more clear that he's ignoring your rantings and addressing the OP, to try to make something useful of this thread, so it was just a little ego overkill on your part, that's all..

BTW, I don't see all 90+mm boards on the least coast when I'm there, and much over 80 seems like general overkill. No doubt core skiers like yourself (6-7 years on skis?) go with XXL's all the time. Mr. Mansell provides the most usefullness to the OP yet.

Also, I'm one of those OLD people who's picking up his new ObSETHed's this weekend at a great shop at WB, and it's many of us old farts who're FINANCING the new stuff, not little shavers who couldn't pick up a bill if it fell in their laps. Just FYI.

 
Wow, you're being pretty hard on the boy.
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Yes, I know (we all know). You asked if J-Mansell's post was for you or the OP, and it would be hard to be any more clear that he's ignoring your rantings and addressing the OP, to try to make something useful of this thread, so it was just a little ego overkill on your part, that's all..

BTW, I don't see all 90+mm boards on the least coast when I'm there, and much over 80 seems like general overkill. No doubt core skiers like yourself (6-7 years on skis?) go with XXL's all the time. Mr. Mansell provides the most usefullness to the OP yet.

Also, I'm one of those OLD people who's picking up his new ObSETHed's this weekend at a great shop at WB, and it's many of us old farts who're FINANCING the new stuff, not little shavers who couldn't pick up a bill if it fell in their laps. Just FYI.

 

   Jeez what did I say???? All I said was that the Volkl Mantra would be a nice ski for what OP wants to do....Whats wrong with that??? Its my opinion. The only reason I went off on a rant is for some reason you guys had to attack me for saying this.............

 I am very curious as to how often you ski in the East Coast??? Because I see a lot of people skiing on 90mm and 100mm + skis all the time. In fact I was skiing at Cannon this past weekend( BTW the conditions were epic...no pow but still epic) and I rode the chairlift with a guy who had a pair of K2 ObSethed. He was an excellent skier. Saw him making some nice GS turns on the groomers. Also saw a guy making nice carved turns on the 2010 Gotamas........I'm glad you guys at least see the potential of wide skis in powder( especially living out west) Also I didn't say that there weren't any old farts that wouldn't buy wide skis. What I meant to say was a lot of younger people are coming back too skiing because of the newer technologies. This really isn't even my opinion I read it in a Ski Magazine...so its their opinion not mine. FYI snofun I bought my 700 dollar P90s with MY own money. Thought I would let you know that... I don't appreciate when people assume things and jump to conclusions...

Anyway I'm sick and tired of getting lured into this types of arguments when all I do is share my opinion...All I was trying to do was help the OP...Anyway you trolls have fun with your ridiculous arguments...




Oh and snofun have fun on your new K2s I have heard the ObSethed is an awesome ski!!!

See ya!!!
Edited by skier232 - 1/28/10 at 12:30pm
post #22 of 25
OP wanted some opinions.  Everyone differs.  But I kinda think that you should generally stick in the area of the best tool for the job. 

Some people would use their BMW's to pull a trailer.
Some people would drive their Ford pickups to the prom.
Some people would say that one vehicle can do it all. 

 


My opinion is that you want to think about what ski will do the best job for the conditions you have and the type of skiing you want to do.
I suggested the OP at least look at narrower, stiffer skis.  They ain't all that "new school".  But sometimes they are the right tool.
 
 

post #23 of 25
 Atomic Nomads.

Pick one!
post #24 of 25
OK, one thing we can all agree on -- old guys rock!
post #25 of 25
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Originally Posted by J-Mansell View Post

Each ski is designed for a type of skier, type of condition and type of use. People tend to really like a categories of ski, claiming its the best (and it might be for that person). Some people claim they can ski powder better on 74mm, while others claim to ski hard conditions better on 90mm. If fact, some do ski extremely well on mid 70's in powder and 90+ on ice. With all this said, for the average skier, something in the low 70's to the low 80's is going to give you more performance on typical east cost conditions.  Since you are exploring different terrain and might do some skiing out west, I would looks at skis from the mid 70's to the mid 80's.  Other factors also play into the right ski for you, length, side cut and stiffness. These are hard to make a suggestion for, it depends on how you ski and what you like a ski to feel like. If I were to assume some things from your post, I would think you would work well on a stiffer ski and less side cut. Good luck finding your skis

Nahmeanz, J-Mansell's advice is sound. Ignore the hijackers' noise; they're harmless.
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