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Has anyone ever used Rain-X on their bases?

post #1 of 23
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 Looking for a sensibly-priced alternative to Zardoz non-wax.
post #2 of 23
Ooooh....interesting.  Never thought about trying Rain-X on my bases.  Works great on windshields and lasts a long time. It would definitely be a cheap way to go if it works well.  Somebody out there try it out and let me know before I put it on my nice new sticks.
post #3 of 23
Rain-X is made of ethyl alcohol and isopropal alcohol.  It might be good for cleaning bases but I don't think it would be worth a damn as a replacement for wax or Zardoz.

As a side note I found Zardoz for $6 online a couple of weeks ago and ordered a few.
post #4 of 23
Go for the shop kit, that one is cheaper. there are people out there who tried other kinds of stuff, but some of them dryout the base.
post #5 of 23
Cstreu1026 is on the right track, the active ingredient in RainX is highly diluted by cheap water and cheap alcohol.  

Which is why it looks cheap in the shop, compared to Zardoz, which is close to 100% active ingredient (lubricant).


  It might be good for cleaning bases but I don't think it would be worth a damn as a replacement for wax or Zardoz.

Also correct.  

1) It bonds to glass far better than it bonds to bases,

2) it is a *bad* lubricant when dry (read: slow on cold snow),

3)  makes water bead up into small beads instead of sheeting on moist snow.  

Read: slow on warm or wet snow (small water beads fill up structure) and absolutely deadly when the snowguns are blowing (those same small water beads -freeze-and-grab- the ice crystals).   


IOW, the very things that make it good for windshields (makes water bead up and present a high friction profile to wind so that it gets blown off) make it *bad* for skis.


As a side note I found Zardoz for $6 online a couple of weeks ago and ordered a few.

And, if you're spreading it right, you only need 1 drop per pair of skis.
post #6 of 23
post #7 of 23
It works well on ski's, the alchohols are just the solvent base, the rest of the ingrediants are all silicon oils etc as opposed to Zardoz's Teflon

Chemical CAS No / Unique ID Percent
Ethanol/SD Alcohol 40 000064-17-5 86
Isopropanol 000067-63-0 4
Ethyl sulfate 000540-82-9 1
Polydimethylsiloxanes (Silicon oil) 063148-62-9 <9
Silicic acid (H4SiO4), tetraethyl ester, hydrolysis products with ~ chlorotrimethylsilane 068440-59-5 <9
Siloxanes and Silicones, di-Me, hydroxy-terminated 070131-67-8 <9

Even Zardoz uses solvents. If you put it on a cloth then half of the solvents evaporate anyway. Doesnt seem to dissolve wax in normal use 

I have used it a fair bit now, over 2 years. As far as I can tell it acts, looks, irons, spreads and works exactly like Zardoz at 1/10th the price and actually seems to last longer

It mixes with Dominator Zoom and Polar Dry Ski hard wax well (Just like zardox) and makes a big difference on wet snow. It does not seem to remove wax when you apply it or dry out bases . I have poured the liquid on my bases prior to ironing more wax in, but normally drip it on an old zardoz puck and use just like zardox (it also seems to mix fine with Zardoz)

It also stops snow sticking to the top sheets and is fantastic on the outside of goggles when its snowing or raining

Isnt too bad on car windscreens either!
post #8 of 23
Thread Starter 
 
How 'bout this? I believe PTEF is Teflon.
post #9 of 23
Thread Starter 

Or this?
 
post #10 of 23
Maybe I'll just stick with my usual hot wax......I can use some quiet time with my skis and a cold beer  in the garage without my wife nagging me!
post #11 of 23
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and, if it's *really* wet:

post #12 of 23
 When I take my kid sledding at the local hill, all the other parents can't understand why he goes so fast & their kids are struggling!  Then I take the Pam out of my jacket pocket, give their kids a spray & thay go like hell!
post #13 of 23
Just wondering how much of this Zardoz you use that your racking your brains trying to think of cheaper alternatives?
post #14 of 23
Thread Starter 
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Just wondering how much of this Zardoz you use that your racking your brains trying to think of cheaper alternatives?
Mmm...Point well taken. It's been raining here in New England and instead of skiing, I've been on a downward slide here in Epicski trying to amuse myself until the rain freezes into boilerplate and I can ski again.
post #15 of 23
For a unreasonably priced option that is hydrophobic, use Perfluorinated wax.It is hydrophobic by nature.

For a real solution, the Briko-Maplus liquids last longer than Zardoz AFAIK. Comprex may be apply to offer objective comparisons to various liquid wax durabilities.
post #16 of 23
Did a test last night, tried cleaning the waxing bench with Rain X. No effect. Dropped some wax shavings into Rain-X liquid. Still there after an hour

So existing waxes will not be dissolved or cleaned away by Rain-X, which matches perfectly with my observations of using it
post #17 of 23
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Originally Posted by comprex View Post


Cstreu1026 is on the right track, the active ingredient in RainX is highly diluted by cheap water and cheap alcohol.  

Which is why it looks cheap in the shop, compared to Zardoz, which is close to 100% active ingredient (lubricant).


And, if you're spreading it right, you only need 1 drop per pair of skis.

 

Absolutely.  This year is the first time I have bought Zardoz since probably 2001 or 2002.  I got two pucks back then and it lasted until december of this year and I ski 30-40 days a year. 
post #18 of 23
madmole wins....something for his in depth exploration of Rain X as a ski lubricant.
I guess it rains more in Olde England than New...
What about the Rain x gallon jug you put in the windsheild washer? That would be even cheaper.

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Why the one with flour in it and not olive oil?

I bet your RainX can't go 125mph on the Les Arc, France speed trap.
http://www.hertelskiwax.com/articles.asp?id=131

madmole- how about that test?
post #19 of 23
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by cstreu1026 View Post

Rain-X is made of ethyl alcohol and isopropal alcohol.  It might be good for cleaning bases but I don't think it would be worth a damn as a replacement for wax or Zardoz.

As a side note I found Zardoz for $6 online a couple of weeks ago and ordered a few.
$6 Zardoz?  Is that for the refill/puck or for the wipes? Where online?
post #20 of 23
"madmole- how about that test?"

LOL I have enough trouble doing 50mph, my old Metrons skitter everywhere. Have some Nomad Blackeyes in a longer length this year so I'll tell you how fast I get, but I suspect I'd have to drink the gallon of rain-X to even attempt 125!!!! regardless if any was put on the ski's

I do wax as normal, Use the Rain-X just as Zardoz, as a thin coat on wet days, I always get one late march week in the alps, last year it was +11C so the snow was very wet and cruddy, Zardoz or Rain-X makes a lot of difference then
post #21 of 23
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$6 Zardoz?  Is that for the refill/puck or for the wipes? Where online?
 

They were the regular pucks and I found them here: http://www.joessportinggoods.com/skishop.html  It looks like they are out of them though.
post #22 of 23
Used Rainx on skis when I was in a pinch... It definitely does not work on skis. It went from sticky skiing to impossible to ski .
post #23 of 23

I used it before, it is sticky for one run until it works in, then it is only good for a few more runs. I found it was only good for wet snow, and you have to put it over wax. I don't think it would work well with out a good wax job on the skis. The fluoride wax and coatings work well but cost a bit.

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