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Do YOU ski tha DOUBLE DIAMONDS????

post #1 of 146
1/25/10 at 2:26pm
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Y'all talkin' 'bout tha DOUBLE DIAMONDS? Y'all EXPERTS?? Well I'd like to hear about it potheads.
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post #2 of 146
1/25/10 at 3:07pm
I flail double diamonds, not sure if that counts
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post #3 of 146
1/25/10 at 3:11pm
I ski on snow,ice, and rocks--sometimes water too.  I didn't know they had skiing in South Africa..
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post #4 of 146
1/25/10 at 3:14pm
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Originally Posted by Jer View Post

Y'all talkin' 'bout tha DOUBLE DIAMONDS? Y'all EXPERTS?? Well I'd like to hear about it potheads.

We're waiting for you to tell us how - just don't forget the picture's - we might be visual learner's or maybe just gapers. LOL
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post #5 of 146
1/25/10 at 3:15pm
We should all go to Mt. Bohemia, where even the easy trails are double diamonds.
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post #6 of 146
1/25/10 at 3:21pm
 As long as its fun.. ive been down some frozen streams , not realy fun
 CARVING now thats fun ;)
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post #7 of 146
1/25/10 at 3:24pm
I eat molehills and poop double diamonds.
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post #8 of 146
1/25/10 at 3:30pm
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Mt. Bohemia

WTF is with the triple diamonds?  Do they bury landmines?
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post #9 of 146
1/25/10 at 3:36pm
I do it all, and don't even have to fake an Austrian accent while I gnar the shred.
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post #10 of 146
1/25/10 at 3:39pm
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Originally Posted by Jer View Post

Y'all talkin' 'bout tha DOUBLE DIAMONDS? Y'all EXPERTS?? Well I'd like to hear about it potheads.

I would like to try to ski a DOUBLE DIAMOND, but we don't have any here.

Bummer.
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post #11 of 146
1/25/10 at 4:01pm
 

Doesn't really add anything... but that's not the point, now, is it?
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post #12 of 146
1/25/10 at 4:52pm
 In the White Salmon Lodge at Mt. Baker there's a piano with a double diamond sign on it that says "experts only."  I've not skied it yet, but now that the gauntlet is thrown down I could be the first person to scale this run and, despite the common inversions that exist there, I could make a solo progression to the highest pitch and attack it while articulating my review of Snowbird.  Ah, Snowbird, melody to my ears, harmony to my soul.

What skis should I use for this?  I was thinking my 888s, for the keys, but my XC boards have scales on the basses so I might use them.  Hmmm...
Edited by Posaune - 1/25/10 at 5:23pm
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post #13 of 146
1/25/10 at 4:52pm
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I would like to try to ski a DOUBLE DIAMOND, but we don't have any here.

Bummer.


 
Everyone get's it Bob....Congrats on Living in JH.

Get over yourself.
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post #14 of 146
1/25/10 at 5:16pm
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Everyone get's it Bob....Congrats on Living in JH.

Get over yourself.
 

did you just diss bob in jer troll thread? 

you cant diss bob its in the online laws even above this site.
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post #15 of 146
1/25/10 at 6:09pm
What's a double diamond?
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post #16 of 146
1/25/10 at 6:33pm
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We should all go to Mt. Bohemia, where even the easy trails are double diamonds.
 


It's true Lonnie somewhat overgnarlifies the gnar at Bohemia (then again, he has to compare it to every other ski hill on the North Coast so he's probably not that far off). It's also true that they're looking to get absolutely pounded by lake effect snow all week. I'll try to do a TR, but TR's shot during a complete whiteout tend to be somewhat lackluster. There also will likely be nobody up there midweek (like it's really crowded on weekends), so don't expect any action shots.

Keep posting everybody - I think this is finally the year I get to go to Alaska!
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post #17 of 146
1/25/10 at 6:44pm
 Remember when some resorts added the "triple diamond"? I am glad this has died out, though as a spinal tap fan I should approve..
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post #18 of 146
1/25/10 at 6:54pm
I ski all the double trails that ski like single diamond trails.
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post #19 of 146
1/25/10 at 7:24pm
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Everyone get's it Bob....Congrats on Living in JH.

Get over yourself.
 

That's good advice.

I'll try.
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post #20 of 146
1/25/10 at 7:27pm
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That's good advice.

I'll try.
 
Not holding my breath.
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post #21 of 146
1/25/10 at 7:34pm
1.  Do I need to carve to go on a Double Diamond?

2.  Do all the women wear Descente one piece stretch suits on Double Diamonds like Sylvia?

3.  If #1 is true then I can't do it, cause that would be lame.

4.  If #2 is true I will give it a try.

5.  Are there Double Diamonds in AK?

6.  If #5 is true, can I go with?

JF
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post #22 of 146
1/25/10 at 10:39pm
does skiing black diamonds while seeing double count
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post #23 of 146
1/25/10 at 11:51pm
double blacks here are casual blue runs in new zealand, literally. like literally literally.

so you're correct when you say there are no double black diamonds here, if you say it in a new Zealand accent that is.
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I would like to try to ski a DOUBLE DIAMOND, but we don't have any here.

Bummer.



 
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post #24 of 146
1/26/10 at 4:10am
 Is that because you have to ski upsidedown there?
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post #25 of 146
1/26/10 at 5:36am
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does skiing black diamonds while seeing double count
that would make them quadruple black diamonds....right?? 
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post #26 of 146
1/26/10 at 5:51am
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I would like to try to ski a DOUBLE DIAMOND, but we don't have any here.

Bummer.



 

Funny Bob.  But I think underlying your comment is the fact that the system for rating terrain is pretty sadly lacking. I'm sure it's probably been hotly debated here before, but I think that there needs to be an overhaul of the rating system. At the very least provide something that has more than 3 levels of definition. Some standardization acrossed the industry would be nice as well, so when a person travels from their home moutain to some other place they have some idea what they are getting into on a given run. The whole "these ratings are specific to this mountain" deal was quaint back in the day when 1) people didn't travel all that much, and 2) there was no popular means for individuals to communicate quickly and easily on a national and global scale.

I'd like to see something more like the whitewater community uses. A 1 - 5 (or 6) scale. Of course, that has it's limitations as well, and there have been proposed changes to try to mitigate those issues. Corran Addison proposed a scale with three factors that incorporated the difficulty of the run, the consequences of F'ing up, and the distance/difficulty in accessing emergency assistance. For example, you could have two differnet class IV runs based on difficulty, but one could be strewn with undercuts and seives and be a constant class IV all the way down and in a remote wilderness canyon. The other could be pool and drop class IV, along a roadside with good access, and have few undercuts. Class IV doesn't describe the runs adequately for a person to really know what they are getting into.

And the ski run classification is worse than the basic WW classification.

The other thing that happens in the WW community is that there have been comparisons listings put together by various boating groups -- either clubs, or larger associations -- that compare popular runs to one another. These give a boater a more finite understanding of where a particular run falls in relation to something else they may already have done.

Bob - the fact that there are places in the east the have double, and a couple that even go as far as having triple diamonds - seems funny at first. But it eliminates comments like "that's an easy black" - "that's a moderately hard black".  A better system would minimize the need to subjectively qualify black runs like that.

Are all black runs at JH created equal?
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post #27 of 146
1/26/10 at 7:11am
My double blacks are knarlier than your double blacks. Plplplplplpl!!
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post #28 of 146
1/26/10 at 7:21am
The boys consider jumping or "sliding" into Great Scott at the top of Snowbird

The lower part of the Snowbird cirque is single black, but there are numerous true double blacks
which the adventurous can take a chance in.
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post #29 of 146
1/26/10 at 7:25am
^^^^Spring conditions? what year is that photo? If you have ridden the tram, where is this? jump or slide a small cornice?
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post #30 of 146
1/26/10 at 9:38am
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Funny Bob.  But I think underlying your comment is the fact that the system for rating terrain is pretty sadly lacking. I'm sure it's probably been hotly debated here before, but I think that there needs to be an overhaul of the rating system. At the very least provide something that has more than 3 levels of definition. Some standardization acrossed the industry would be nice as well, so when a person travels from their home moutain to some other place they have some idea what they are getting into on a given run. The whole "these ratings are specific to this mountain" deal was quaint back in the day when 1) people didn't travel all that much, and 2) there was no popular means for individuals to communicate quickly and easily on a national and global scale.

I'd like to see something more like the whitewater community uses. A 1 - 5 (or 6) scale. Of course, that has it's limitations as well, and there have been proposed changes to try to mitigate those issues. Corran Addison proposed a scale with three factors that incorporated the difficulty of the run, the consequences of F'ing up, and the distance/difficulty in accessing emergency assistance. For example, you could have two differnet class IV runs based on difficulty, but one could be strewn with undercuts and seives and be a constant class IV all the way down and in a remote wilderness canyon. The other could be pool and drop class IV, along a roadside with good access, and have few undercuts. Class IV doesn't describe the runs adequately for a person to really know what they are getting into.

And the ski run classification is worse than the basic WW classification.

The other thing that happens in the WW community is that there have been comparisons listings put together by various boating groups -- either clubs, or larger associations -- that compare popular runs to one another. These give a boater a more finite understanding of where a particular run falls in relation to something else they may already have done.

Bob - the fact that there are places in the east the have double, and a couple that even go as far as having triple diamonds - seems funny at first. But it eliminates comments like "that's an easy black" - "that's a moderately hard black".  A better system would minimize the need to subjectively qualify black runs like that.

Are all black runs at JH created equal?

I really did mean it literally.  There are no double diamonds at Jackson Hole.  All our runs are squares.  No diamonds (unless you look at them sideways).

And no, not all JH black runs are created equal.  The hardest ones are pretty much the steepest, but the most difficult ones also usually involve some terrain features like semi-mandatory air (Corbet's) or rock-lined chokepoints like the Alta Chutes or Tower 3 Chute, etc.  We used to have a category that had YELLOW EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!, which were supposed to mean use extra caution, but they did away with that classification.  Now we have the double-blacks and even those have quite a bit of variability when it comes to degree of difficulty.

I agree with you that it would be nice is there were somehow a way to compare runs across resorts.  I don't know much about whitewater ratings, but I assume it's similar in concept to rock climbing ratings.  It's very helpful in rock climbing that a 5.10 climb in New England can be *relatively* similar to a 5.10 in California.

The problem in skiing, though, is that there's just so much variability of snow conditions, not only at a given resort but also between resorts.  I've skied at Snowbird quite a bit, for example, and I know that a good share of the more difficult runs at Snowbird are steeper - by several degrees - than most of the more difficult runs at Jackson Hole.  But because Snowbird typically has better snow conditions (softer, deeper, more sheltered from the sun), I'm not sure those runs are any MORE difficult on a daily basis as they're often a little easier to ski due to the great snow.

I think it would be great to be able to rate across ski resorts, but it just seems like there are so many variables - once you get into more difficult runs - that it's almost impossible.  I think it could be pretty easy to do for groomed runs, however, if you knew the degrees of pitch.  I think it's relatively easy to compare a 24-degree groomed run at Jackson Hole (whatever its rating within that resort) to a 24-degree groomed run at Stowe.
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