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Skis for glades

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
Right now I'm skiing on Atomic Metron M10s in a 164 and really love them, but I'm looking for something that's better suited to skiing all the glades at places like Smuggs and Jay that'll hopefully still be able to handle the steep lift line trails and so forth.

I'm thinking that most recommendations are going to be either twin-tips or mid-fats. I think I want something lightweight and soft, but I imagine that most skis will be lighter and softer than the Metrons. There are some things like K2 Apache Raiders and Public Enemies, or the Legend 4800 occasionally on eBay.

I'm definitely looking for something cheap. Specific recommendations are helpful. If you have something for sale, I'd love to hear about that too! I have some Salomon bindings I can use :)
post #2 of 16
I had asked a similar question a little further down the forum.  It seemed like the consensus was the K2 PE/Extremes are good and playful, the Volkl Bridge is good,  the Dynastar Sultan 85 is a little stiffer/racier, the Volkl Mantra might be too stiff and unwieldy in the East, and the older Dynastar 8000s are not terribly floaty but are pretty good all around.

I still want to know about people's ideas on the Line Prophet 90 and the Dynastar 6th Sense Distorter.
post #3 of 16
Thread Starter 
What about the K2 Silencer? I understand it's sort of a lighter, more agile version of the Public Enemy.
post #4 of 16
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I still want to know about people's ideas on the Line Prophet 90 and the Dynastar 6th Sense Distorter.

I spent an hour on the Distorter over the weekend. Natural snow, well-skied but still in good shape and not re-frozen. I took them in some moderate bumps, on groomers, and in tight eastern trees (Saddleback, Maine). I did not like them at all in the bumps or trees. They were ponderous and slow - felt like they were at least 10mm wider than they are. I tried two other skis of comparable width (though, admittedly, with more shape) the same day, on the same terrain, in the same conditions, and they were fine, so it's not simply that the Distorters were too wide for my tastes. Maybe they're a really good park ski. I wouldn't know. Too bad, as I am a sucker for the graphics.
post #5 of 16
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I think I want something lightweight and soft, but I imagine that most skis will be lighter and softer than the Metrons. There are some things like K2 Apache Raiders and Public Enemies, or the Legend 4800 occasionally on eBay.

I own the 4800s (1st generation - the blue ones) and they are very good in the glades, as long as there is not a huge amount of new snow.
post #6 of 16
Thread Starter 
I saw the Blizzard Poacher for super cheap on Tramdock and picked them up. They're almost cheap enough that if they suck it's no big deal. I'm worried they may be soft, but I'll give them a go and see how it works out.
post #7 of 16
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I saw the Blizzard Poacher for super cheap on Tramdock and picked them up. They're almost cheap enough that if they suck it's no big deal. I'm worried they may be soft, but I'll give them a go and see how it works out.

http://www.freeskier.com/articles/article.php?article_id=1167

Given your intent, you probably should have gone with normal-length K2 PE/Extremes.  And the Silencers are stripped-down "economy" skis that are softer for park or light skiers.
post #8 of 16
After the PE/Extremes were recommended in another thread I've been doing some reading and a ton of people seem to say they are pretty heavy and chip like it's their job.  No real complaints about the ride or anything, just these two points.  Anyone want to comment on this?
post #9 of 16
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After the PE/Extremes were recommended in another thread I've been doing some reading and a ton of people seem to say they are pretty heavy and chip like it's their job.  No real complaints about the ride or anything, just these two points.  Anyone want to comment on this?

Their supposed heaviness is related to two things:

1.  They ski really short, so people get them longer.  I had them in a nominal 174cm, which had less edge but were physically longer than my 176cm Gotamas, 176 Big Troubles, and 172 Legend 8000's.  They skied great in that length, but of course the added actual length means added actual mass.

2.  They're billed as part-time park skis, and in that application they're heavy.  That said, I'm not really aware of any lightweight park skis that do well for all-mountain.

Delicate topsheets:  at least in the case of PEs (dunno about the Extremes), the topsheets were made of a denser UHMWPE (same stuff the bases were made of).  They seemed softer than other topsheets, but I had no particular problems with them.  That said, I sold those PEs to Lemmiwinks, and he noted they were easy to damage.  So I guess YMMV.
post #10 of 16
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Their supposed heaviness is related to two things:

1.  They ski really short, so people get them longer.  I had them in a nominal 174cm, which had less edge but were physically longer than my 176cm Gotamas, 176 Big Troubles, and 172 Legend 8000's.  They skied great in that length, but of course the added actual length means added actual mass.
 

What is your height/weight/aggressiveness if you don't mind?  My 6*s are 168s and I spied some PEs on craigslist in a 169 for super cheap.  I figure either that size or a 174 would be about correct for me.
post #11 of 16
I have PE's right now and hate them.  I'm 6' 180 lbs and have grown a great deal since I bought them.  I ski them in just a 159 and they still feel heavy and aren't great in bumps/ glades.  I would go with something a lot softer if I were you, perhaps the Silencer mentioned earlier?
post #12 of 16
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What is your height/weight/aggressiveness if you don't mind?  My 6*s are 168s and I spied some PEs on craigslist in a 169 for super cheap.  I figure either that size or a 174 would be about correct for me.
 

When I had the PE's, I was 5'8", 155lbs, not terribly aggressive, used the PEs as mid-radius AM carvers.  No park, not much off-piste.  Back then I had the idea that they would suffice as soft snow skis; can't blame me as I was in Southern California, which has much more in common with Eastern resorts than where I do my skiing now (Tahoe).  Primary reason why I sold them.

Had my intent been trees (not that there was much tree skiing in the SoCal resorts I was at, nor would I have been inclined that way), I would have gotten them in 169cm.
post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by eastskier44 View Post

I have PE's right now and hate them.  I'm 6' 180 lbs and have grown a great deal since I bought them.  I ski them in just a 159 and they still feel heavy and aren't great in bumps/ glades.  I would go with something a lot softer if I were you, perhaps the Silencer mentioned earlier?

its you coupled with a growth spurt not the skis the 159 at your size should feel like a toy...

post video of your skiing and prove me wrong but if feel those skis are too heavy in bumps or tree there is something way wrong with your skiing...

for the OP. how tall/weight are you?

The PE is a great ski but not that end all to be all. Rockered skis are worth a look if your going to keep the M10 around for something on harder days.
post #14 of 16
They sucked before i grew too.  I just mentioned my growth spurt because they are too short and still not agile enough.
post #15 of 16

Fischer Wateas are worth a look- just pick your waist width - 78, 84, 94, 101.  Soft, easy skis in soft snow, but will hold an edge are are fairly stable.  Not great ice skis, but do everything else pretty well.  They hold an edge, and carve better than the PE.

post #16 of 16
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I still want to know about people's ideas on the Line Prophet 90 and the Dynastar 6th Sense Distorter.
 

  P90s  They are a great everyday ski...carve great hold an edge, stable at speed, pretty quick from edge to edge, good on moguls and on ice, and have pretty good float in pow. However, if your looking to get them as a powder ski I would suggest you get something else...something wider then them. Keep in mind though I have only skied mine in 6 inches of pow so far...have yet to try them in a foot + of the fluffy stuff
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