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post #31 of 44
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

Meh, you might as well get some  110 cm snowlerblades to hop turn on.  I guess I'll never get the rocker allure.  If it skis like sh!t on everything but bottomless powder I guess I'd rather be leaning rockered/reverse cambered ski turns on a lake than in fresh snow.  Maybe if they add a fin to the back I might bite someday.

I hate every spec about my Mavens. The running length is too short (112cm). They're too wide (139 underfoot). Too soft. Torsional noodles. The sidecut feels like a slalom ski (22m?). I might, just, actually have the ability to actually bite through them they're so soft. 

But the moment I step on new snow, I start doing things I have never done in my 33 seasons and I'd gladly put up with crappy firm snow performance for those moments of bliss that was previously unimagineable. 

You ice dogs (I can call you that, I grew up in MN) have got to learn that people don't care about piste performance in the mountains. 

Oh, and on topic- Billy Goating is also rarely seen in films because of the amount of film it takes to shoot a billy-goated line. Shane hated this fact. I, too, find a tremendous amount of joy billy-goating down techy "extreme" lines. I would even argue that billy-goating is the foundation to the fabled "extreme skiing movement." I've seen several billy-goaters win big mountain comps. 60' to stop to 60' to stop to 40' exit comes to mind immediately. Anybody can carve a turn. Few can drop and stop. 
post #32 of 44
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Originally Posted by samurai View Post


I hate every spec about my Mavens. The running length is too short (112cm). They're too wide (139 underfoot). Too soft. Torsional noodles. The sidecut feels like a slalom ski (22m?). I might, just, actually have the ability to actually bite through them they're so soft. 

But the moment I step on new snow, I start doing things I have never done in my 33 seasons and I'd gladly put up with crappy firm snow performance for those moments of bliss that was previously unimagineable. 

You ice dogs (I can call you that, I grew up in MN) have got to learn that people don't care about piste performance in the mountains. 

Oh, and on topic- Billy Goating is also rarely seen in films because of the amount of film it takes to shoot a billy-goated line. Shane hated this fact. I, too, find a tremendous amount of joy billy-goating down techy "extreme" lines. I would even argue that billy-goating is the foundation to the fabled "extreme skiing movement." I've seen several billy-goaters win big mountain comps. 60' to stop to 60' to stop to 40' exit comes to mind immediately. Anybody can carve a turn. Few can drop and stop. 

 


Totally true. Some of the most rewarding lines to ski.

I like the 12' drop and stop turns.
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post #34 of 44
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I knew that was Gopher on McConkeys before i even clicked it.
post #35 of 44
 ^^ I knew it would obvious, too, to a select few. 
post #36 of 44
gopher's been tearing up Squaw this past two weeks...
post #37 of 44
That's totally a billy-goat line. worthy! great POV. he seems calm.
post #38 of 44

sorry, just have to ask.
billy goats or praxis powderboards?
post #39 of 44
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Originally Posted by guroo270 View Post


sorry, just have to ask.
billy goats or praxis powderboards?
Both, as they are completely different skis.
post #40 of 44
 I honestly don't know, but aren't they both 100mm+ off piste/big mountain skis?  Just wondering which one people think has made them enjoy off piste stuff more...  I mean, fill in the quiver:  Volkl Tigershark, Line Prophet 100,___________ (billy goats/praxis powderboards)
post #41 of 44
just to watch you bounce off each other to review and analyze those skis is a (salty) treat.
post #42 of 44
First off, I don't work for, represent or own anything from ON3P.  I don't know where you got that, but you seem to be awesome at assuming so carry on.  

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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

And to all of you that say your ski works great, you just have to ski it fast, or ski it forward, or ski it just in the middle, or learn how to ski before you ski it, or re-learn how to ski to ski our ski I say: come on. There are a lot of skis that people are willing to make allowances for because they are invested in acquiring cool image out of their ski.
 

  I don't even know where to start with this...  
post #43 of 44

It's true, IMO, so start on. What a lot of defensive posturing and bashing.  IMO, IMO. better?

Lots of crap skis out there, IMO, IMO, IMO. mind if I say that? say what you want about gear. just chill on the insults.

never cared who or what you work for. just saying, if you rep a ski, then it should be stated as part of a ski review.

post #44 of 44
Whoa, I never insulted you I just made fun of you for having no clue what you were talking about.  If you don't like it maybe you should try a little harder to have your facts straight before you start spouting, which seems pretty fair to me.  Other than that page 1 poke (which you totally asked for), you've been the only one really making assumptions about skis and why people ride what they do.   

I DON'T rep for any ski companies, and the BGs were directly pertaining to the subject matter. 

I'm just saying the fact that you see a fat/rockered/reversereverse skis and think "That guy just wants to look cool" makes baby Jeebus cry.  I'm sure it happens, but most people that buy a pow specific ski well, want to ski powder and do so on a regular basis and don't care how it acts on groomers because they're there so little.  See, you're projecting your own thoughts and feelings onto others and it's not really true or fair to people who buy a tool for a specfic purpose and use it as such.  Some skis are made to be charged on, hence they won't open up until you really get moving.  Others are wide, soft shoveled, pintailed and pivoty and need to be skied differently than a long straightish super stiff board.  DUH!  This isn't some kind of statement about one's need to be "cool", it's a symptom of a specific design developed to offer a different type of ride that isn't for everyone but is a way of life for some.  IMO, your need to attach some kind of ulterior motive for owning a ski besides what you're on or what you like speaks volumes about your self image though.  Projection is a very interesting analytical tool.  Just because a type of ski isn't for you doens't mean it's crap.  Just because you can't turn a megawatt doesn't make it a piece of shit.  Get over yourself dude, it's not healthy.  If I'm standing at the top of Corbet's with Lhasas, it doesn't necessarily mean I want you to think I'm the "most awesomest", I might just be there to rip.  Have fun out there bro, and try not to get too caught up in why people ski they boards they do...  To each his own.  

This concludes my participation in this thread.  I'm off to the mountain to ski treeeeeeeeeeeez  
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