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GS ski issue, New GS ski that won't turn????

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 

Odd title I know, but here is the just of it. I skied and raced on a Rosignol WC 9X's last year 189cm. At the end of the season I crashed and bent one so over the summer I found another new pair and snapped them up. I loved these skis with their 21m radius etc This pair does not feel as solid. I have spent much of my time on my 165 SL skis so I am not sure if this is swaying my opinion. These GS skis feel like buses they do not want to turn the edges seem to catch and they are hard to roll on edge. Is it possible to have that much difference between one ski to the other 9x to 9x I mean. Could it be the tune or am I spending too much time on my SL skis.
Thanks for the help
John

post #2 of 18
27m vs 21m syndrome?
post #3 of 18
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Originally Posted by Temple67 View Post

 These GS skis feel like buses they do not want to turn the edges seem to catch and they are hard to roll on edge. Is it possible to have that much difference between one ski to the other 9x to 9x I mean. Could it be the tune or am I spending too much time on my SL skis.
Thanks for the help
John


What?  You mean your old edges didn't catch?  Edges are supposed to catch.  Do you slip your edges when you turn?

Yes a 27m ski won't turn as easily as a w21 m ski, but they will turn if you put them on edge and let those edges work for you. 

And yes, compared to a SL, they will seem like a bus.
post #4 of 18
Thread Starter 
They are both 21m radius so that is not the issue, I am just wondering if one is stiffer then the other. I am finding it hard to load the ski. I had no issue last season. I will fool around with them Saturday. I guess I have become lazy on my SL's??
post #5 of 18
Thread Starter 
by edges catching I mean they seem to get on a track, i.e the down hill ski does not want to follow in up hill ski. Maybe I am not putting enough downhill ski pressure. To be honest something feels different between the two sets of skis.
post #6 of 18
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by edges catching I mean they seem to get on a track, i.e the down hill ski does not want to follow in up hill ski. Maybe I am not putting enough downhill ski pressure. To be honest something feels different between the two sets of skis.
Is the mounting point the same?  It sounds like you're not getting enough pressure to the front of the ski early in the turn.
post #7 of 18
I bet your SL skis have thrown you off.  Same thing happens to me each week.  I ski on 165 SL most of the time and usually only break out the GS for racing.

Yep Sl makes you lazy cuz al you have to do it tip 'em.
post #8 of 18
add me to the "lazy on the SL skis" list too!

happens to me when I ski something other than my Sl's too for a run or two. 
post #9 of 18
I've been struggling with a new set of GS skis too, though I went from a 24m to a 27m ski. I am now finding out that if I try to load up the ski too quickly, I end up putting the pressure straight down into the snow instead of pushing "sideways" against the ski and making it bend. The ski never bends, tracks straight and I end up on the inside ski.  When I am a little more patient, and let the ski get up on edge before I pressure it, it comes around a lot better. I think my last pair of skis was not as stiff, so I could get away with being less precise.
post #10 of 18
There's a skill to be learned in moving back & forth from SL to GS skis.  Use them both regularly and the transition will become easier.

Going from SL to GS after a bunch of days on SL, you might well find that the GS skis seem slow to come around, and you might find yourself on your inside ski a lot.  Work on your lateral balance first before looking for problems with the skis.  Don't be in too much of a hurry to get inside the arc on your GS skis, and tip your shoulders to the outside to keep weight on the downhill ski.
post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by Temple67 View Post

Odd title I know, but here is the just of it. I skied and raced on a Rosignol WC 9X's last year 189cm. At the end of the season I crashed and bent one so over the summer I found another new pair and snapped them up. I loved these skis with their 21m radius etc This pair does not feel as solid. I have spent much of my time on my 165 SL skis so I am not sure if this is swaying my opinion. These GS skis feel like buses they do not want to turn the edges seem to catch and they are hard to roll on edge. Is it possible to have that much difference between one ski to the other 9x to 9x I mean. Could it be the tune or am I spending too much time on my SL skis.
Thanks for the help
John

Hey man.

Check out your tips and tails of the skis. if they are tunned razor sharp and you aren't used to that its going to feel like a train. i would role over the points of contact with a fine or medium swix file and de tune. 

Thats how i lik emy skis at least
post #12 of 18
Xactly. I go from a 170cm 66mm waist to a 187cm 95mm waist on a daily basis.

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Originally Posted by mogulmuncher View Post

There's a skill to be learned in moving back & forth from SL to GS skis.  Use them both regularly and the transition will become easier.

Going from SL to GS after a bunch of days on SL, you might well find that the GS skis seem slow to come around, and you might find yourself on your inside ski a lot.  Work on your lateral balance first before looking for problems with the skis.  Don't be in too much of a hurry to get inside the arc on your GS skis, and tip your shoulders to the outside to keep weight on the downhill ski.
post #13 of 18
Speed.  GS skis like to see some before they give you any action.  The time on SL skis made you forget this.
post #14 of 18
Hehe. I  broke out the GS skis last weekend after training/racing SL pretty much since the start of the season.  A bit of a culture shock at first (and even more on day 2 when I got the 27m ones out - but that's another story!) so it definitely took a few runs to get back into it and make the necessary adjustments.  Most of the suggestions here have been good.  Another thought linked to Bob's point - is the plate the same?  Rossi have been through a few different variations.  Check also it is mounted in the same hole sets on the plate and you may even want to try moving it forward a position if the issue continues.  Same boots?  Have you checked the base bevels are the same on both pairs?   Otherwise, like Newfy says, let 'em rip!
post #15 of 18
I have the reverse of what you have... I have been on DH and SG skis all season. Getting on my SL skis is a frikkin process, and one hellofa workout. GS skis aren't as hard for me, but still a whole lot different than a 216cm 45m radius ski.
post #16 of 18
Weight - concentrated on inside front edge of front outside ski, and mostly off of inside ski.
Tipping - Matching angles. Don't overtip inside ski compared to outside ski.
post #17 of 18
Thread Starter 
Great points guys, part of me is disapointed it is not the skis haha. I am going to run them all day tomorrow and get back into the groove.
Same plates same bindings etc. One thing that changed is I went from a 110 flex boot to a 130. Could make a difference but I am guessing it is not the arrow but the.....
John
post #18 of 18
Thread Starter 
worked on it today, skis felt much better. I just had to wait for them and not just put them on edge. Not all the way back with them but closer. I can't let my SL skis get me lazy anymore!
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