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Salomon Falcon 10--only for racers/should I even be looking at these?

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
Some background: I am a female skier with a long (size 11-11.5 women's) but very narrow foot. This makes shopping for shoes difficult, but shopping for ski boots utterly miserable. I cannot find ladies' ski boots in the right length. They just don't carry them in stores, and I would rather not order ski equipment online without trying it on first. So it looks like it's men's boots for me. Fine. But since I have narrow feet even for ladies' sizes, I have even narrower feet by comparison to most men's. So, in my quest for a new pair of ski boots (I've been skiing in a ridiculously wide pair for me for about 3 years, and I'm totally fed up with them--and, for that matter, myself for believing the dude who sold them to me when he told me to "wear a thicker sock," because, really, what kind of an idiot buys boots that don't fit? Me, apparently), I was pointed in the direction of men's racing boots, namely the Salomon Falcon 10. I tried them on--in-store only, have not tried them on the slopes--and from what I could tell just by wearing them there they felt perfect. This, I thought, is what a ski boot should feel like. They only had size 26.5 in the store and I think I need a slightly longer boot (probably a 27), so when I left I made a mental note of what to look for, but since this is all very preliminary, I'm thinking there are probably other, and perhaps better, options for me.

I am not a racer. I am a very advanced and moderately-to-very aggressive skier, but I don't race. I don't mind paying the price, because in the end even if I'm not skiing competitively I would like boots that fit me as well as these do. Since the price is a lot, though, I want to make sure that I'm being pointed towards an appropriate product for my needs. Call it paranoia, and maybe I was "burned" by my previous ski-boot-purchasing experience, but I guess I'd like the input of someone who has no stake in my purchase. The salesman seemed very knowledgeable, very nice, and I was clear with him that I wasn't going to buy anything that day--they didn't even have the product in my size--but I wonder if there are boots out there that are also long and narrow and more appropriate for non-competitive aggressive skiers like myself. I almost feel pretentious looking at these. While I feel like I know my stuff about actually skiing, matters of equipment go right over my head. Could someone tell me if there are other products I should be looking at, and if these are even a good option for someone like me? Do other (more equipment-savvy) non-competitive advanced skiers use these, or are they really only for racers/suckers who know nothing about equipment?
post #2 of 10
No, they are not for racers only.

I have CS Pro, which is essentially the same as the Falcon 10. I too have very narrow feet. These bits fit and ski fantastic.

I can't say if you'll find them too stiff. Your body weight (unknown) plays a role, as does your skiing style. The boots can be softened by removing the two bolts in the rear which frees the upper cuff from the lower boot.

I'm a 165 advanced male and the flex is perfect for me

Salomon makes a ladies version of this boot which is a bit softer.I don't know if the fit is different. You may want to ask over in the boot forum.
post #3 of 10
Thread Starter 
Thank you Squeaky Wheel. I'm aware of the stiffness factor, which was one of the things I liked when I tried them.

Thanks for the tip on the Ladies' version (I think it's called the Instinct). As I said, they usually don't carry my size in the ladies' lines in stores, because I wear a size 11-11.5, which is really big for women's.

In any case, thank you. Will keep this in mind while I'm looking.
post #4 of 10
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Originally Posted by HitTheSl0pes View Post


Thanks for the tip on the Ladies' version (I think it's called the Instinct). As I said, they usually don't carry my size in the ladies' lines in stores, because I wear a size 11-11.5, which is really big for women's.
I glossed over this the first time. that's my shoe size and I reckon you'd take the same size as me.

Anyways....great boot. I was a die-hard Lange guy for years, but the CS Pro/Falcon 10 is every bit as good
post #5 of 10
race boots are just narrow, stiffer boots so dont worry.

the falcon shape is all the same, (even if it is called instinct, falcon, ghost, etc) so a "mens" 27 = same as the "ladies" 27.
www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117781


Boots can always be made softer and larer, so dont be scared of getting a tiny, tight, stiff boot.

just check the shell fit of of the boot (I hope that the boot fitter removed the liner and had just your foot in the shell?  if not go somewhere else)    you are looking for 5-10mm shell fit in length, and YES this will be tight.
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41231

also most other companies make a 98mm wide boot (same as the falcon)  nordica makes the doberman pro, and jah luv.  lange has the HP (banshee) and even full tilt is 98mm.
lots of options, but dont worry about the mens vs ladies, or what brand.  Find a good boot fitter, sit down for 1-2 hours with them, get the best fit out of box, and then get that boot worked on.  well worth it.
post #6 of 10
Thread Starter 
Mntlion, I really appreciate your input. I had not gone to a boot fitter who removed the liner and just had my foot in the shell. Am going after work today.

To clarify, I'm aware that Mondo sizes are the same in men's and women's, but the stores I've been to don't carry size 27 in women's styles. (This is an issue buying regular shoes, too. I have to order them online or at least get to the stores before the other big-footed women and the transvestites, because if the stores carry any they carry one or two pairs in my size.) So while I know the ladies' lines always have a men's line equivalent, it's just easier for me to go with the men's. This is not a problem as long as I can find a boot that's narrow enough for me, and now I know there's quite a selection out there. Thanks for getting me up to speed on which lines to look at and what exactly is the width I should be looking for. This will really help me when I go to a boot fitter.
post #7 of 10
 for what its worth i finally took a chance and dropped my 7 -8 year old lange's for the falcon cs this season. I have not regretted the decision.  While im not sure yet if the sols are quite as responsive as the langes (slight slight) the comfort and fit factor has been well worth it. 
post #8 of 10
what part of the world are you in?

in the bootfitters forum is a wiki of good bootfitters available in a variety of markets.

to avoid another false start in boot happiness, i would strongly recommend you find a good fitter that you can work with, and one that has a few different boot models to chose from.

jim
post #9 of 10
     Atomic has boots in there race line down to 93mm last width.  You need to measure the width of your feet in mm to determine which one will fit correctly.  We have had adult folks come in with 85mm feet---a 98 mm last would be very loose on this person.  

     Check your length and width in mm and seek out a boot that is aimed at this size---a boot fitter can not make a boot narrower.  But if the one you selected was a little too narrow it could be widened.

Happy Skiing!!
post #10 of 10
By all means go for the "race" boot.  Just for reference sake I take a US 11 mens boot size and my Solomon Crosmax boots  are 27 - 27.5 (shell size).

Get them shell fit, get them tight and stretch them out.
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