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post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
Hey everyone, first post here on the forums.  I am looking for some advice on some all-mountain mid-fats for the Northeast.

A little background:

5'9", 155
Competitive cyclist so I can put down some reasonable power
Ride 2005 Volkl Six Stars and Dobermann Pro 130 boots

I have been away at college studying mechanical engineering in PA for 4 years and haven't been skiing much.  Before that I would have considered myself an advanced-expert and I am just getting my legs/technique back this season.  I mostly ski frontside groomers/hardpack and absolutely love my equipment for this.  These skis can lay some serious trenches in GS turns and will bend into short turns when needed.  Four years ago I was reasonably confident in the woods but it is taking me some time to get used to them again.

I am wondering what some opinions are on a nice mid-fat ski that has more flex and more width than my Six Stars for a more all-mountain experience.  I have been looking at:

Dynastar 8000s (probably lightly used)
Dynastar Sultan 85 (new)
Volkl Bridge (though I have no park aspirations I'm somewhat a Volkl fanboy)

Let me know your thoughts and any other skis I should consider.  I have no problem buying lightly used from a couple years back.

Thanks!
post #2 of 16
I am a Volkl Guy myself.Skiing every day as a patroller on Tigershark Tens.Picked up a set of Bridges and put on a Marker Griffon binding. Let me tell you how much fun this ski is.Hardly using the Tigersharks any more.They handle every condition very well, even the hardest snow.Bumps,trees,everything. Just remember though, because it is a twin tip it will ski about 10cm shorter. I am 5'7" and 155 lbs and ski it in a 169.Hope this helps.
post #3 of 16
volkl


The Mantra is the pinnacle product for the skier who wants to ski the deep stuff, yet still have a solid, all-mountain feel on the front of the mountain. Still unparalleled in the market, it’s the go-to ski for those who want a powder ski that is versatile enough to be their every day ski.

http://volkl.com/ski/skifinder/skis/free-mantra.php

post #4 of 16
 what are your home hill? how much of your time do you spend skiing trees?

I dont get the mantra as powder skis off any type at all. Its too stiff for east coast powder skiing My Public enemies are way more fun in tree than my mantras ever were and still carve groomers nearly as well. the bridge which for you will be in 169 or 177 is much better choice for skiing pow on hte east coast as its easy to flex in trees and doesnt have metal.
post #5 of 16
Thread Starter 
Bushwacker.  I don't have a home hill per se.  Catskills are close but I try to get to VT whenever possible.  Time spent in trees depends on the mountain.  North VT like Stowe, Jay, Smugglers then a fair bit of time but even then I'd say at the most 40%?  I likewise don't think Mantras are good east coast skis.  What are you thoughts on the two Dynastars I mentioned or the Public Enemies you had?
Edited by NEMatt - 1/20/10 at 9:31am
post #6 of 16

IMHO, the L8K is not that great in deep powder (like at Jay sometimes), blue ice and anything that is crusted over. Otherwise, it's a wonderful ski for everything else the NE.

post #7 of 16
 I think the Sultan 85 is an outstanding ski for 2010 -- one of my favorites in recent years.  They ski extremely well on hardpack and groomers, so much so that I have not been using my narrower skis much at all this year.  And the Sultans are great in softer snow and mixed conditions.  I think it makes a lot of sense as a primary go-to ski for the east.

The PE/Extreme is a very good all around ski, and a lot of fun to ride, but I would probably give the nod to the Sultans for their racier and more precise feel on groomers and hard snow, since you seem to indicate that kind of thing is important.

Another nice option in that range is the Head Peak 82 (iM82 of last year).  It's not as racy as the Sultan or as fun/scrappy as the PE, but turns nicely and is super smooth.  It's also light feeling, and the combination of tip geometry and binding mount position make it very good in powder and crud (the best of the bunch in those conditions).

Of all these skis, the Sultan has the highest hardpack speed limit by far.  Peak 82 the lowest.  PE/Extreme a little better than the iM82.

All three skis are excellent -- I have owned all of them in recent years.  Based on my current lineup however, I am ready to consolidate down to the Sultan 85 as my only "narrow" ski.  I like it that much.
post #8 of 16
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Originally Posted by chanwmr View Post

IMHO, the L8K is not that great in deep powder (like at Jay sometimes), blue ice and anything that is crusted over. Otherwise, it's a wonderful ski for everything else the NE.


All true. Its worth noting that this criticism hold for all 90-80mm wide skis. The reason to get an 85 mm wide ski is to get something that is the very good across a variety of conditions that you ski most frequently and suck it up when conditiosn are not ideal.

OP, I think the 8000 is a great ski for what you are asking for. I never skied the sultan or the bridge. Maybe they are better better. The PE is a good ski for what you want but skis short so its great in soft snow and in the trees and bumps. But it doesn't carve on real ice as well as one would want. Not as good as your 6*.
Edited by tromano - 1/20/10 at 11:34am
post #9 of 16
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by tromano View Post




All true. Its worth noting that this criticism hold for all 90-80mm wide skis. The reason to get an 85 mm wide ski is to get something that is the very good across a variety of conditions that you ski most frequently and suck it up when conditiosn are not ideal.

OP, I think the 8000 is a great ski for what you are asking for. I never skied the sultan or the bridge. Maybe they are better better. The PE is a good ski for what you want but skis short so its great in soft snow and in the trees and bumps. But it doesn't carve on real ice as well as one would want. Not as good as your 6*.

Thanks for the input.  I wouldn't expect many non frontside dedicated skis to take on the hard stuff as well as the 6*s.  I'm willing to compromise for floatation and playfulness off trail.

A few have said that the twin tips mentioned (Bridge and PE) ski "short."  My 6ers are 168s and for a non-twin would probably be looking in the 166-175 range depending on available lengths.  What do you think would be an appropriate length for twins?
post #10 of 16
 Personally I would go with the these skis outta of the ones you mentioned I would scrap the 8000 but for sure check out the sultan 85 in 172? not sure on the sizing.

Also the PE/Extreme is slightly lighter feeling ski with out as much sidecut but IMO outshines the sultan everywhere but icey groomers and stiffer crud. Maybe edge grip is more important to you and then youll like the sultan.
post #11 of 16
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post

 Personally I would go with the these skis outta of the ones you mentioned I would scrap the 8000 but for sure check out the sultan 85 in 172? not sure on the sizing.

Also the PE/Extreme is slightly lighter feeling ski with out as much sidecut but IMO outshines the sultan everywhere but icey groomers and stiffer crud. Maybe edge grip is more important to you and then youll like the sultan.

Yeah the Sultans look pretty sweet.  I'll be sure to check out the PE/Extremes as well.  It's too bad because there are certainly some deals to be had with the 8000s!

BTW, Bushwacker, awesome POV video of you and your pals in the "secret" woods near Stowe.  Very cool.
post #12 of 16
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Originally Posted by NEMatt View Post

It's too bad because there are certainly some deals to be had with the 8000s!
Don't read me wrong. I love my L8k but it does have its limitations. BTW, I think the Sultan 85 skis very similar to the L8k (I demo'ed them last season). The Sultan does seem to bite ice/crust a bit better.
post #13 of 16
Thread Starter 
To throw a few more options into the mix, give me some thoughts on:

Dynastar 6th Sense Distorter
Line Prophet 90
Line Chronic Cryptonite

I'm not sure why Skiing mag classifies the first two as off-piste when they have similar dimensions than the others mentioned above which they called mixed-piste but oh well.
post #14 of 16
I second the PE/Extreme recommendation.  The only downside to those is they aren't that unique.  So many people have them that there is no "wow look at those cool skis" factor to them anymore.  But, there are good reasons why so many skiers have them throughout the East.  The only thing they do not do very very well is they do not hold at high speed quite as well as a GS ski.  Other than that,  they perform like a very good Bump ski/SL ski/Powder ski/Park ski in the matching situation.  The turn radius on mine (older 80 waist model) is 12 meters.   That's an SL cut so they are really good in tight trees too.
post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

I second the PE/Extreme recommendation.  The only downside to those is they aren't that unique.  So many people have them that there is no "wow look at those cool skis" factor to them anymore.  But, there are good reasons why so many skiers have them throughout the East.  The only thing they do not do very very well is they do not hold at high speed quite as well as a GS ski.  Other than that,  they perform like a very good Bump ski/SL ski/Powder ski/Park ski in the matching situation.  The turn radius on mine (older 80 waist model) is 12 meters.   That's an SL cut so they are really good in tight trees too.

The older ones and the current ones have a 12mm taper  never was a 12 meter sidecut at all. In fact the 179 have a 20.5 meter sidecut hardly SL at all.

They Gs turn great IMO much better than SL turn.....
post #16 of 16
If you really love your 6*s, you truly won't be disappointed by the Mantra. I've been skiing the 6* since its inception, but the Aura (women's version) and the Karma (87 waist) have become my daily drivers for all but the iciest of days. Its got the same spunk as the 6*, great float on even 2" of pow (I've had mine in up to 18"), superior crud busting ability, and better than passable edge grip on those hard pack days.

Seriously.
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