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post #1 of 96
1/18/10 at 8:38am
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post #2 of 96
1/18/10 at 8:52am
Where did you find this look into our colorful ski future?
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post #3 of 96
1/18/10 at 9:02am
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TGR and Newshcoolers are great sources for stuff like this. These were originally posted on Freeride.net, and taken at Swesport 2010 in sweden. I actually snaked them from TGR though. I figured most people here don't visit TGR too often.
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post #4 of 96
1/18/10 at 5:16pm
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Salomon El Dictator:

Designed by Cody Townsend and explained in his words from TGR




El Dictator
Size: 194
(wussies need not read further because this is the only size offered)
Dimensions: 134 x 114 x 124
Characteristics: 300mm Tip Rocker, Flat Square Tail, Full Woodcore

The story:

So the inspiration for the ski came from the head freeride ski designer Lionel Favret. He said to Kaj Zackrisson and I one day, "We will build a ski for you. We wouldn't want to send you two into a Formula 1 race with a Citroen, so the ski is as you wish. Build your Formula 1 ski".
The excitement to build a ski one-hundred percent from scratch, as I wanted to build the ski was nearly over-whelming. But once I settled down the conception process was an easy one. It's something I've been dreaming of for years upon years.

I wanted something that withstand the rigor of hard-charging, variable conditions while still combining some of the pleasurable elements of recent ski design with regards to effortless pow skiing. And I wanted it to stomp cliffs, biiiggg cliffs.

So the design you see above is what we came up with. Now let me tell you why we picked the design we did.

Size: 194 cm. We wanted something that had the long turning, hard charging capabilities of the 202 XW Lab but with a bit shorter length for more versatility and tighter turning proficiency. Hence a pretty damn big ski but not overwhelming length by any means.

Dimensions: 134 x 114 x 124. We stayed with a similar radius to the Rocker because that radius is a great radius for long super-G turns, a non-hooky feeling in pow and butterability in the deep. We wanted 114 underfoot because we estimated that 114 is a great width to still sink the skis when landing big airs but still staying afloat while ripping turns. When you get past the 120 underfoot range landings become a bit harder and more jolting because the skis don't sink into the snow and utilize the cushion of the snow to soften your landing.

300mm Tip Rocker. Because rocker rules. It's the only way to achieve effortless flotation in pow. We stuck with a minimal amount of rocker to allow the ski to still be easily manageable in super variable conditions. I'm sure most have felt what a lot of rocker feels like on crud and windboard, and I'm sure none of you like that tip slapping and chattering feeling that a lot of rocker supplies in those conditions.

Flat Tail. Because even though some say there is no reason to not have a twin tip on all skis, I feel like I've found a reason. And that is that twin tips tend to wheelie and squirrel out on big air landings. Square, flat tails sink so well into landings that stomping becomes a breeze. I've definitely found that flat tails are essential for those huge hucks.

Woodcore. Because we wanted it stiffff. And stiff this ski is. The tail is adamn 2 x 4 and punches through nearly all conditions. The tip still has some nice poppy characteristics and isn't a brick, but the tail, g'damn it's like a teenager at a strip-club stiff.

Overall, I got my first prototypes in March of last year and didn't ski a single other ski until park ratting it up in Hood this summer. It's all that I've ever wanted in a ski. And it better be because I fucking designed the goddamn thing!
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post #5 of 96
1/18/10 at 5:19pm
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Where did you find this look into our colorful ski future?

http://www.freeride.se/content/3703/
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post #6 of 96
1/18/10 at 10:12pm
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Is this the new Legend series graphics?   
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post #7 of 96
1/19/10 at 6:36am
The Nordica Nemesis was new last year which really has my interest piqued but I haven't had the chance to get on it.  


I've been browsing the pics of the 2011 gear and see little else that really pops out at me just yet. 

After all Kastle has wow'd me this year, and promises to bring some new widths out for 2011.....
I'll get my popcorn ready and start making a short list to demo, eh?
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post #8 of 96
1/19/10 at 6:40am
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post

After all Kastle has wow'd me this year, and promises to bring some new widths out for 2011.....
I'll get my popcorn ready and start making a short list to demo, eh?

 

Not only more widths, but also changes. The mx98 gets a complete revamp with rocker-ed tip and more sizes, as will the mx108 & mx 128
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post #9 of 96
1/19/10 at 7:11am
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Not only more widths, but also changes. The mx98 gets a complete revamp with rocker-ed tip and more sizes, as will the mx108 & mx 128
 

I heard that and I'm very excited!
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post #10 of 96
1/19/10 at 7:16am
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Is this the new Legend series graphics?   

Left to right, they are:

Legend Big Dump (192) 142-120-132 R=38 - Tiprocker (shown as pair)
Legend Rider 115 (166, 175, 184) 137-115-127 R=32 - Tiprocker (shown as pair)
Legend Sultan 94 (165, 172, 178, 184, 189) 132-94-118 R=18 (single ski)
Legend Sultan 85 (158, 165, 172, 178, 184) 126-85-110 R=16 (single ski)

I wonder if this means the Mythic is out of the lineup for 2011?
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post #11 of 96
1/19/10 at 7:36am
Any looks on the new Chip line from Head?
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post #12 of 96
1/19/10 at 7:44am
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COOMBAck (167, 174, 181, 188) 135-102-121 - All-Terrain Rocker
Hardside (167, 174, 181, 188) 131-98-119 - All-Terrain Rocker
Sidestash (167, 174, 181, 188) 139-108-127 - All-Terrain Rocker
Darkside (174. 181, 188) 156-128-144mm - Powder Rocker




Genome 170/142/156 R=26 - Rocker
Double Helix 150/121/140 - Rocker




Volee Drifter (Telemark)
Volee Insane (Telemark)
Sister (157, 161, 165, 171, 175) 125-92-117 R=19

Husume (169, 175, 181, 188) 128-106-114 R=27 - Rocker
Overlord (169, 175, 183, 193) 140-118-125 R=29 - Rocker










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post #13 of 96
1/19/10 at 2:17pm


Any ideas what K2's these are?
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post #14 of 96
1/21/10 at 2:45pm
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Any ideas what K2's these are?
My guess is the ones on the left are the Apache series (can't tell which is which) and the ones on the right are the t-nine series.... I'm guessing from right to left: Lotta Luv, Burnin Luv, Free Luv, Tru Luv, Sweet Luv.  I'm guessing by the color scheme which is the same as the 2010's. 

So WOW - if that's the Lotta Luv on the right - yipes - that looks pretty cool!  I demoed the 2010 Lotta Luv and really loved it, and want to get a pair (yes, that would make me a female).
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post #15 of 96
1/21/10 at 2:59pm
Wow, everyone now makes skis that look plagiarized Rorschach test cards.  It appears that Kastle is the only manufacturer left that does not feel the need to smear finger paint all up and down the ski tops.

Are the manufacturers trying to compete with each other to see who can come up with the most hideous graphics?
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post #16 of 96
1/21/10 at 4:38pm

+1 on the psychedelic topsheets.  Our slogan last winter was "bring back the flouro".  Seems we picked it early ...

Any early intel on the Volkl Kendo?

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post #17 of 96
1/21/10 at 4:55pm
 So much of the equipment looks like it fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down. Nordica, what are you doing with your skis? Volkl is a bit more conservative in their AC and Attiva lines. Those K2's look like the repacement for the Apache and Luv series. I heard that the Apache series would be all new but a quick look at the picture, the design doesn't look that much different. 
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post #18 of 96
1/21/10 at 5:22pm
Just WHO do they perceive their market as?

I'm gonna save some money next season....that's for sure!
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post #19 of 96
1/21/10 at 6:02pm
The new K2 series that replaces the Apache line is called A.M.P.  New ski that replaces the Xplorer is called the Aftershock w/ 86 waist and all-terrain rocker, ABS sidewalls. I spoke with a friend of mine who skied the new K2 Rictor 80mm waist w/All terrain rocker and sidewalls, at a dealer event in Jackson Hole and he said the ski just flat out ripped. I know that ALL of K2's new all mtn skis and new t-Nine women's line will all have some sort of rocker.
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post #20 of 96
1/21/10 at 6:16pm
Luv It!
when I think back at how boring skis have been for so many decades...
comin back in the game now, I wuz stoked to see the diversity of stuff, names and cosmetics. And it does look different from snowbd stuff!
now we'll have to get some skiwear designers to come up with stuff soz you can look like these, comin down the hill
truckin it


hmmmmm.... 

potato sack skiwear  H A S  G O T    T O   G O  !

....course, Marilyn is always in fashion...
Marilyn - Ach Du Lieber!
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post #21 of 96
1/21/10 at 6:26pm
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Luv It!
when I think back at how boring skis have been for so many decades...
comin back in the game now, I wuz stoked to see the diversity of stuff, names and cosmetics. And it does look different from snowbd stuff!
now we'll have to get some skiwear designers to come up with stuff soz you can look like these, comin down the hill

 

Seriously?
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post #22 of 96
1/21/10 at 6:50pm
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 So much of the equipment looks like it fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down. Nordica, what are you doing with your skis? Volkl is a bit more conservative in their AC and Attiva lines. Those K2's look like the repacement for the Apache and Luv series. I heard that the Apache series would be all new but a quick look at the picture, the design doesn't look that much different. 

It is strange that they put the finger painting scheme on the Speedmachine line. I have no idea why they would do that as the young and hip crowd isn't interested in the piste carvers. With those graphics, they are likely going to alienate some in the target audience for this type of ski.
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post #23 of 96
1/21/10 at 6:53pm
 I can't believe they did that to the Doberman GSR/SLR.
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post #24 of 96
1/21/10 at 6:53pm
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I agree some of the topsheets may be a complete miss. However some people don't want to ski something that looks like every other ski on the hill. Skiing is hot again. Lots of people are jumping back on 2 sticks, there is a whole different movement. I'm sure there are plenty of ski's for all the crabs that only want boring prime colors and block lettering to jump on.

As for Kastle, they have a signature look, why would they change it?

Let's be honest, the ones you guys don't like aren't being marketed towards you anyways. I guess you need something to complain about though.
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post #25 of 96
1/21/10 at 8:24pm
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Seriously?

sure, why not?
I mean , we're not tawkin Wall ST Pinstripe kinda livin here.
AND, I don't see a weapon, knife or grenade brandished on ANY of these!
Kudos to the artists! I'm so over shoot-em-up movies/TV. Seriously, H-wood is rancid with re-makes and shootem up.
Not a lot of skiers in that bunch.

Although, I would agree that the 'Evil Clown' theme is some tired shit...

Who wouldn;t like to be sittin on a lift and look down at your bds and all of a sudden find some color combo or graphic element which you just finally 'saw'.
Changing your visual perspective can often change how you see the day.

Its like that TV commercial (by a bank) about a little girl given a bike, she is only allowed to ride in a 3 ft sq box. Loose the box and the world becomes a different, usually more exciting place.
I mean, isn't that what all the ski options are about these days?
I mean, Rossi Strato 102, VR 17, Hart Javelin, Head 360 bring back fond remembrances of days of future, past. Nice
But we're about tomorrow - huge storms roaring thru the country, dumpin a load
the possibilities on the top of your hill on that next day you're out.
awesome!  why not have skis that yell (or sing) that back at you every time you look at them?
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post #26 of 96
1/21/10 at 8:35pm
I've seen much of this stuff and skied on some of it. Here are some clarifications for y'all.

The "rocker" on the K2 AMP and T9 series varies from minor to invisible.
The Far right ski in the K2 pic is the Lotta and it looks pretty good.
The graphic on the Obsethed is the first one suitable for adults in some time.
The Volkl Kendo is an 87mm Mantra. (which makes a lot more sense than the current one)
If the Rictor "rips" it'll be the first K2 in some years to do so.
If ya wanna talk RIP watch for the Fischer Progressor 10+ ("Now this is a knife")
Nordica missed NO colors in their lineup. Easily the worst graphics I've seen so far.
FTMP Rossi has fairly conservative graphics and minor tip and tail rise in their SC series.
Fisher has conservative graphics and a very nice new ski in the Watea 98 (tip rise)

I have seen some boots as well and so far the new Langes are stellar. These may be game changers for boot shops. Tecnica has some very good new 98mm boots as well.

SJ
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post #27 of 96
1/21/10 at 8:41pm
haha yeah i definitely agree. 

I mean some arent hideous, but it certainly does look like a lot of them just gave toddlers fingerpaint.

Kastle designs are just really classy and volkl designs are at least interesting though, but the rest.. 

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Originally Posted by MojoMan View Post

Wow, everyone now makes skis that look plagiarized Rorschach test cards.  It appears that Kastle is the only manufacturer left that does not feel the need to smear finger paint all up and down the ski tops.

Are the manufacturers trying to compete with each other to see who can come up with the most hideous graphics?
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post #28 of 96
1/21/10 at 9:01pm
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sure, why not?
I mean , we're not tawkin Wall ST Pinstripe kinda livin here.
AND, I don't see a weapon, knife or grenade brandished on ANY of these!
Kudos to the artists! I'm so over shoot-em-up movies/TV. Seriously, H-wood is rancid with re-makes and shootem up.
Not a lot of skiers in that bunch.

Although, I would agree that the 'Evil Clown' theme is some tired shit...

Who wouldn;t like to be sittin on a lift and look down at your bds and all of a sudden find some color combo or graphic element which you just finally 'saw'.
Changing your visual perspective can often change how you see the day.

Its like that TV commercial (by a bank) about a little girl given a bike, she is only allowed to ride in a 3 ft sq box. Loose the box and the world becomes a different, usually more exciting place.
I mean, isn't that what all the ski options are about these days?
I mean, Rossi Strato 102, VR 17, Hart Javelin, Head 360 bring back fond remembrances of days of future, past. Nice
But we're about tomorrow - huge storms roaring thru the country, dumpin a load
the possibilities on the top of your hill on that next day you're out.
awesome!  why not have skis that yell (or sing) that back at you every time you look at them?
 

Hey hey! What's up Goleta?! SB Born and Raised.
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post #29 of 96
1/21/10 at 9:11pm
 Is the K2 line actually "rockered" or is it their "catch free technology" that they started this year? 
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post #30 of 96
1/21/10 at 9:35pm
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 Is the K2 line actually "rockered" or is it their "catch free technology" that they started this year? 

Good Q. The marketing thrust will be "rocker for everyone"  All K2's will have it although some of it is a little hard to see.

So........on trail skis will have "speed rocker" (practically invisible to me). All mountain skis will have.....guess what? "all mountain rocker"....a bit more but again, tip only and not much. As you go wider in the range you'll find all terrain rocker, powder rocker, park rocker, etc. etc.

SJ
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