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post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 
 Hello everyone.. Just joined today and look forward to many posts here.

I have a couple of questions regarding some gear.. Its been a while since I have skied last,
but at the time I considered myself very good.  Like cruising speed vs bumps and stuff.

That being said..I recently purchased some new gear.

Blizzard Magnesium GS race skis@192(new)
Marker Comp 12.0 bindings(new)
Fischer X-120 boots(new)

My question lies with the boots.. I purchased them at a size 27.5 which equates to a 9 1/2.
When Im buying shoes I buy a 9 1/2 when I buy snow boots..hiking boots etc. I buy a 10..
as I wear a heavier sock.. Well now Im thinking the Ski boots I bought are
way too tight, at the shop when tried them on the felt tight but.. now trying them at home
man are they tight.  I have to wear dress socks to get into them..mmm.  This can't be right?


Please help and advise.. thanks in advance ..

Rich
ny
post #2 of 26
Did you get them fitted ot just buy them outright, then decide to do some research once you weren't happy. Do they have a heat moldable liner?

Lastly lose the "thick sock" and get something thin and ski specific.

That's a lot of ski BTW.
post #3 of 26
Thread Starter 
 Thank you for the reply.  I did buy the boot outright.  I do like the boot but just wondering what "norm" is 
regarding boot fit/sizing.  Agreed with regards loosing the thicker sock, I just meant that when buying a hiking
boot I usually wear a slightly thicker sock than say my everyday tube sock.  So when buying a ski boot
do you buy the same size as your foot or go a half size larger?  Just curious as all.  

The boots are a "Race Fit"-themo fit all mountain boot.  
I probably rushed the boot purchase(my bad).  I just got them on Saturday if I have to I can
exchange them for a 1/2 size larger..other wise I will just deal with it.

Yes Im looking forward to the skis.
post #4 of 26
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Originally Posted by toasterflyer View Post

 Thank you for the reply.  I did buy the boot outright.  I do like the boot but just wondering what "norm" is 
regarding boot fit/sizing.  Agreed with regards loosing the thicker sock, I just meant that when buying a hiking
boot I usually wear a slightly thicker sock than say my everyday tube sock.  So when buying a ski boot
do you buy the same size as your foot or go a half size larger?  Just curious as all.  

The boots are a "Race Fit"-themo fit all mountain boot.  
I probably rushed the boot purchase(my bad).  I just got them on Saturday if I have to I can
exchange them for a 1/2 size larger..other wise I will just deal with it.

Yes Im looking forward to the skis.


 
I would take the boot back, and ask to be properly fitted by a quality bootfitter. The boot you have may well fit you just fine, but need a little tweaking to make it just right. Did the store heat mold them for you? Or was this an internet purchase. Even if you bought them online take them to a good bootfitter and see what they can do for you. Your feet will thank you.
post #5 of 26
Thread Starter 
 The boot was purchased locally.  I will give them a call see what they can do.  So my understanding is
that ..what ever your shoe(sneaker or otherwise) you buy the same size in a ski boot?  

Thanks
Rich
just to clarify..the above..its not that I'm not happy with the boot purchase, just want to make sure I didn't
mess up, for the lack of a better phrase.  
post #6 of 26
 Rich, when you buy a ski boot, you usually go down at least one size from your sneaker size.  If you bought the same size and they seem tight, something is not right with the shape of the boot.  If you go one size up, you are going to get the boot that is WAY too big.  Did the store do a shell fit?  If not, try to return and find another store, they did not know what they were doing.   Typically, if a new boot feels all right in the store out of the box, it is too big.

Alex

P.S. Loose the thick sock, and loose a tube sock as well.  Go to a thinn wool ski sock.  The thinner the better. 
post #7 of 26
Thread Starter 
 Alex,

Not to be misunderstood.. I do not wear a thick or tube sock when wearing a ski boot ..was just a reference
to my everyday shoe/boot.  Sorry for the confusion.  Um.. interesting about the ski boot sizing.  I did
not know you go a size smaller.  The boots fit really perfect around my foot..and perhaps I've out of the loop
for so many years and honestly my ski boots in past have not been so performance minded..
I mean the X-120 is a very stiff boot.  Not to mention my foot is so not used to being in a ski boot(yet).

I will wear them again tonight for a few hours..

Rich
post #8 of 26
I should offer a disclaimer- I am not nearly as knowledgeable in the boot arena as some of the regular guys on this forum (such as sierrajim- who by the way takes very good care of my family's ski boot needs-, starthaus, Jeff Bergenson, Bud Heinsman, and many others; so if anyone these guys offer you advice- listen to them).  In my experience stiffer boots almost always need to be downsized, otherwise you will be flexing the liner instead of a shell.  My own ski boot is a stiff 27.5 shell (US 9) and I am an 11 street shoes, so I am not even one, but two sizes down. Needed some work, but fits very well now.  

You are in NY; I recall that there were some posts recommending a good fitter in that area.  I hope you understand that not every ski shop can sell you good boots- you really need to find the store that can custom-fit shells for you.
post #9 of 26

the boot should be snug, not tight.

post #10 of 26
Thread Starter 
Alex,

WOW.. I must be way off then.  I can not image you fitting your 11 foot into a 27.5(US 9 1/2) ski boot.  I wore the boots
last night again for a few hours and things are better.  Have room in the toes, grips the ankle nice and snug..Time will
tell.  I will be honest, just sliding my foot into the boot is a bit of a struggle, I wonder how you do it.

bottom line the boots are feeling better.  Perhaps I could use a internal shell tweek, will know more after a few runs.
This is the stiffest boot I've owned.  I still have my Lange TSI(red ones)..which seem pretty soft in comparison.

Rich

Quote:
Originally Posted by alexzn View Post

27.5 shell (US 9) and I am an 11 street shoes, so I am not even one, but two sizes down. Needed some work, but fits very well now.  


 
post #11 of 26
Thread Starter 
 opps posted twice.

Rich
Edited by toasterflyer - 1/19/10 at 8:57am
post #12 of 26
Thread Starter 
 
post #13 of 26
To get a idea of what size of boots to fit without the better shell fit method, trace your foot flat on a sheet of paper. Measure it from end to end in cm. That should be the upper end of the mondo size.

Every boot manufacturer makes boots (and model) to fit different foot shapes. If your boot are the right length (or worse off too long) but feels uncomfortably tight, then the boots are likely to have too narrow of a fit.

Like others have said, take them back to the shop and ask for a good boot fitter. If they don't have one, return them and find one elsewhere. Stiff boots and loose fit are a disasterous combination.
post #14 of 26
Thread Starter 
 The boot is stiff and snug, with out clamping da buckles tight.  Im sure once I get a couple of runs on them
I will know more.

Rich
ny
post #15 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by toasterflyer View Post


Alex,

WOW.. I must be way off then.  I can not image you fitting your 11 foot into a 27.5(US 9 1/2) ski boot.  I wore the boots
last night again for a few hours and things are better.  Have room in the toes, grips the ankle nice and snug..Time will
tell.  I will be honest, just sliding my foot into the boot is a bit of a struggle, I wonder how you do it.

bottom line the boots are feeling better.  Perhaps I could use a internal shell tweek, will know more after a few runs.
This is the stiffest boot I've owned.  I still have my Lange TSI(red ones)..which seem pretty soft in comparison.

Rich


 

A stiff boot will always be tight to put on, just do it ;-)  Very often, the tightness is related to the width, not length.  

Do yourself a favor, take the liner out, and stick the foot into the empty shell.  Slide forward, touch the toes to the front, now take a flashlight and peer behind your heel.  You should have less than two fingers room there for sure, one and a half to one finger is about right.  If you have more, downsize.  But more important, check the width.  If the sides of your foot are touching both sides of the shell, your boot is too narrow, so you need grinding or punching, which a good bootfitter will be able to do for you.    Keep in mind that I am not a bootfitter by any means and as I said this site has many people who do it for a living and are real professionals.  
post #16 of 26
Thread Starter 
 Alex,

Will do.  Sounds like a good plan.

Thanks
Rich
post #17 of 26
Thread Starter 
 Alex,

Well I removed the liner, inserted my foot and it seems as though I have about 2 1/2 finger width behind the
heal :-(..  Sides are just fine, my foot is not touching the sides.  Dang if I go to a smaller boot then my 
binding mount is screwed.  I was just starting to like this boot.  And if I had to guess then probably 70% 
of most skiers are skiing an over sized boot.

Rich
post #18 of 26
Alex............You're hired............................report to work on Saturday.

Rich:

Your boots are definitely at least one size too big and yes, about 50-70% of folks out there are skiing in boots at least one size too big. General facts are that the common conversion of 9 shoe = 27.0 is off by one digit. For example, I wear Brooks or New Balance shoes in 11.5, yet on a reliable boot measuring device, I measure about 28.5. I ski in a 27 shell by choice but it does take some work to do that in most boots. The "downsize" strategy is not ideal for everyone so we generally start at the measured size and adjust down if necessary after shell checking.

You need to keep in mind that there are several other fit parameters involved in getting the right fit. The width should not be excessive. Bare foot in empty shell should generate about 2mm of space on each side at the forefoot. High performance skiers will regularly select a boot where the forefoot actually touches the shell on both sides. This allows a tighter fit in the critical rearfoot area and the forefoot area is easily modified to accomodate as needed. Other things we look at include the general mass of the foot and the instep height among many other fairly subtle characteristics.

Bottom line is, you have an amazingly high horsepower ski and a boot that is too big....not a good combo. I know that this is not what you want to hear but I suggest you fix it now rather than later. New boots should fit like a track shoe all laced up for a world record 100m dash. If they feel like bunny slippers.......they are the wrong thing.

SJ
post #19 of 26
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Originally Posted by toasterflyer View Post

 Alex,

Well I removed the liner, inserted my foot and it seems as though I have about 2 1/2 finger width behind the
heal :-(..  Sides are just fine, my foot is not touching the sides.  Dang if I go to a smaller boot then my 
binding mount is screwed.  I was just starting to like this boot.  And if I had to guess then probably 70% 
of most skiers are skiing an over sized boot.

Rich
 

Rich,

I just recently spent a full day of full varied conditions demo skiing in a pair of Fischer X100s, slightly softer version of yours.
Yes, the fischers are difficult to get into. Even with a thin sock I had a bear of a time.
I have a low volume, but high instep foot and they are still very snug on my feet even with buckles loosely buckled - a good thing; but unexpected since I usually expect most boots to be too roomy. They do seem to get 'right' feeling after an hour of skiing or so.
I believe the X120 is a 98 mm last, narrower than my x100s which were/are 100 mm (fischer 100mm). SO your's might even be more difficult to gety into.
Even though both share a layered material design with softer plastic on the instep, they are still a workout to get into.
I can't tell you whether your's fit you or not, but expecting these boots to be anything but very snug at home is prolly too much to expect from them.
I think you can expect them to ski very well, with just enough buckle pressure to close properly.
I was and am (and now as a happy owner after buying my pair) over the moon on how well these ski.
If you have the proper fit in width, heel and shaft (instep included), my guess is you'll be extremely pleased with them also... if that 120 flex is right.

EDIT: I think these both have a heat moldable liners. I opted not to heat mold mine. I decided to wear them at home for some extended time and see if I get any obvious hotspots beyond the 2 bone spurs I have. Since this is not under the dynamics and jamming of skiing, it isn;t a full indication of possible issues; but prolly good indication of gross issues which might arise.
Also have superfeet insoles. One day of skiing really seems to settle the foot into the liner, and the liner into the boot, well.  My observations...
Edited by moreoutdoor - 1/19/10 at 9:16pm
post #20 of 26
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

Alex............You're hired............................report to work on Saturday.
 
Jim...... Thanks, but please have mercy!!!! Saturday is supposed to be a big powder day!!! 


Rich-  Good luck with your boots.   Not to open another can of worms, but a 192 GS race ski with a 27m sidecut sounds like a handful.  This is a bit presumptious, but with a size 9 foot chances are you may not possess the size and build that I would typically associate with a 192 woodcore ski with two layers of metal.  
post #21 of 26
Thread Starter 
 SJ,

Thanks for the input/advice.  I decided last night to bring the boots back and go for a size smaller (26.5).. Although once 
my current boot is on it does fit nice, with no slop or looseness, but that is in my apt. and not on the slopes.  Problem
is now my binding was mounted with the 27.5 boot :-(.  And I really like this boot, it might be tough for me to find it as
its a 09 model.  I could go with Fishers full race boot, but not sure thats ideal for an all mountain boot, plus its yellow.

Rich
post #22 of 26
Thread Starter 
 Alex,

Well Im going to give the skis a good try out.. I will post my feelings, and experience with the skis once I hit the slopes.
And honestly if they are too much ski for me..oh well I paid $300(new wrapped in plastic)

I am looking forward to finally getting on the slopes once the boot thing is settled, which I hope is today.

Rich
post #23 of 26
Thread Starter 
 SJ,

Just curious what is your comfort level in the 27 shell??

Rich
post #24 of 26
For my tastes, it is fine. At this point I'd never consider a 28. Keep in mind though that comfort is relative thing and preferences are involved. I seldom suggest that degree of downsizing to a retail customer. Racers and instructors almost always go down one size.

SJ
post #25 of 26
Thread Starter 
 mm..retail customer here.. I'm heading too the ski shop today.  I want to try a few 26.5 boots.

Rich
post #26 of 26
Thread Starter 
 Just want to thank everyone who chimed in with advice on this issue!  I just got back from the local ski shop and
tried on a few Technica boots @26.5 and I have to say that is the size for me.  I returned the Fischer 27.5 boots.
They did not have boots with the same flex as the Fischer X120.  So now I search.  

But wanted post a thank you.  I hope to be hitting the slopes soon.

Rich
ny
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