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Kastle MX98, 174

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
Cross posted from older "kastle consolidation" thread

 MX 98,
174,
me 165, 6ft, finess skier, likes a variety of turns/speeds, and blends of hold/drift, but lean toward off piste, moderate to slow speed/ medium shaped/blended turns.

I now have a few days on this ski, and will review here after a few more days, but,
suffice to say, this is one of the best feeling skis I've ever skied.

they have a somewhat traditional feel, and in some ways remind me of my stockli Scott Schmidt, but quiter and more fun at slower/teaching speeds. the tune is aggressive, stock w/ a 1degree base, 3 degree side, I'm pretty sure, but after detuning the tips/tails a bit, they become less "catchy" in broken off piste. stock, they are razor sharp tip to tail, and w/ these bevels, a bit sensitive off piste.

They have great rebound, but are damp, like speed, and rail carved turns amazingly well for not a lot of sidecut, but ski well at slower speeds and enjoy the traditional short swing turn more then many of the newer designs.

The rubber layers really show up as speed increases, and that quiet snow hugging feel takes center stage.

This ski is replacing my Watea 94 that I loved for a couple years as my 90% of the ski, and will be the anchor of a new 2 ski quiver (transitioning from 3 ski), as I don't need a skinnier ski w/ how fun this one skis on hard snow/ice.

many have heard and believe they are very demanding, but while it's a serious ski, I didn't find it stiff or unruly. I don't like demanding skis, and maybe it's because I'm on the short one, but I find it versatile and fun, not stiff and demanding.

the only thing is, w/ this 174 skiing so well, i may have to go to the 176 1010 from my 183 so there isn't so large a length adjustment between my primary ski and my pow ski.

more as I get more time on em later...

Cheers,
Holiday

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post #2 of 21
I have skied the 94, but not in this size. The more I think about the 174...the more I expect it would react just the way you reported. The 98 does intrigue me and would like to see how it compares to the 88 in the 178 that I am skiing that. 
post #3 of 21
hmm, that 98 is sounding very sweet and i am intrigued about the lenght. Sounds very interesting. A must demo ski.
post #4 of 21
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

hmm, that 98 is sounding very sweet and i am intrigued about the lenght. Sounds very interesting. A must buy ski.


 Fixed it for you. 
post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 
So, after 2 and a half months,
a follow up review.

This ski has been my primary ski since i bought it.
I sold all my narrower skis, as I didn't feel i needed a skinnier ski and i liked this as my everything ski (w/ the 1010 as my deep pow ski, not that the kastle isn't a great pow ski)

This ski is just so much fun, so secure, while being agile.

it holds amazingly well, but is straight enough and soft enough logitudinally to drift well and not be punitive at slower speeds.

Someone asked if i was selling it, as they know my habits of skiing a ski for a couple months and moving on...
but there is nothing out there that is nearly as good or as versatile as this ski.

too bad they got rid of it next year. I doubt the changes they made are going to be what i'm looking for. For what i love about this ski, i don't want an early rize tip. Also, even in this short length, this ski has never speared on me. My 178 watea would, my nordicas loved to spear w/ their stiff shovels, but this one never has. So, why rocker it?
 Maybe i'm off, and i'll love the new one, but for me this one is awfully sweet!

Cheers,
holiday
post #6 of 21
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Originally Posted by Holiday View Post

So, after 2 and a half months,
a follow up review.

This ski has been my primary ski since i bought it.
I sold all my narrower skis, as I didn't feel i needed a skinnier ski and i liked this as my everything ski (w/ the 1010 as my deep pow ski, not that the kastle isn't a great pow ski)

This ski is just so much fun, so secure, while being agile.

it holds amazingly well, but is straight enough and soft enough logitudinally to drift well and not be punitive at slower speeds.

Someone asked if i was selling it, as they know my habits of skiing a ski for a couple months and moving on...
but there is nothing out there that is nearly as good or as versatile as this ski.

too bad they got rid of it next year. I doubt the changes they made are going to be what i'm looking for. For what i love about this ski, i don't want an early rize tip. Also, even in this short length, this ski has never speared on me. My 178 watea would, my nordicas loved to spear w/ their stiff shovels, but this one never has. So, why rocker it?
 Maybe i'm off, and i'll love the new one, but for me this one is awfully sweet!

Cheers,
holiday


 Next years 98 (and 108/128) are completely different, enough here they could be a different series. What is nice about these skis is that quality doesn't go out of style, you will be able to rock this MX98 for years to come. 
post #7 of 21
I managed to snag one of these from Dawg.  Skied it the first time yesterday, and i was blown away.  This is an incredible ski.  Very lively, amazingly quick edge to edge for a 98 mm width, great edge hold.  

Conditions yesterday were very firm early, moving to mashed potatoes at the end of the day.  When I got it in the glop, the ski did exactly what I told it to do.  It made skiing 3-4 inches of choppy slush very pleasurable.  I'm very very very happy.

Too bad this ski is going away next year.

Mike
post #8 of 21
 I got to ski the 2011 MX98 and the FX94 a few weeks ago. I think anybody that misses this year's MX98 would like the new 94. For me, I plan to get the 98.
post #9 of 21
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 I got to ski the 2011 MX98 and the FX94 a few weeks ago. I think anybody that misses this year's MX98 would like the new 94. For me, I plan to get the 98.

The 2011 98? 
I have the 2011 98 on my radar as my deep snow ski, considering my size and ability, I think that will be a great way to round out my quiver on the top end.
post #10 of 21
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post

The 2011 98? 

Yep 178.
post #11 of 21
I won't disagee the 98 has significantly changed but lets not assume the ski has "jumped the shark" yet.  I will be demoing on thursday, the rocker is not a full-blown rocker,, just a slight early rise from what I know but we'll see. I thiink this ski should be added into the other thread, daily 95-100 drivers.  soft snow oriented, still capable for soft groomers (even firm) and capable of crud, leftovers and just about everything but true pow days.
post #12 of 21
The new 98 may well be a great ski.  It's just that the old 98 is a great ski as well, and I'm glad I was able to get it before it disappears.

One big issue for Kastle is that it is very difficult to find places to even demo these skis.  When I was in Aspen, I wanted to demo a MX98, but the only Kastles they had to demo were the MX88.  With the expense of these skis, there aren't that many folk who will buy them untested.  It limits their market.

Mike
post #13 of 21
 Mike I couldn't agree with you more about the demo options.
If it weren't for the opportunity I had to demo at Stowe, I may not have bought the FX84, which has become my "go to" ski.
I've been very impressed with the way Philpug and Dawgcatching have been helpful with the demos of these skis for Bears.  I think there is a bigger part of the market that Kastle has the potential to get if they can just get them on the ski boots of people to try.
post #14 of 21
one thing I can say is that the rounded tail is more appropriate for the 98.
post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

I won't disagee the 98 has significantly changed but lets not assume the ski has "jumped the shark" yet.  I will be demoing on thursday, the rocker is not a full-blown rocker,, just a slight early rise from what I know but we'll see. I thiink this ski should be added into the other thread, daily 95-100 drivers.  soft snow oriented, still capable for soft groomers (even firm) and capable of crud, leftovers and just about everything but true pow days.

once you figure it out, Rocker makes fat skis more managable on groomers. You can actually steer your feet on a high edge with out you tip and tail catching. The other thing is you can run redicoulous aggressive edge angle for a off trail ski and never have it catch. When you lay it over on edge BAM full length ski with a really sharp edge!.  No more detuning fat skis now.
post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post

 Mike I couldn't agree with you more about the demo options.
If it weren't for the opportunity I had to demo at Stowe, I may not have bought the FX84, which has become my "go to" ski.
I've been very impressed with the way Philpug and Dawgcatching have been helpful with the demos of these skis for Bears.
 
Yeah, it's not like I  brought some to ESA for bears to demo for FREE...
post #17 of 21
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Yeah, it's not like I  brought some to ESA for bears to demo for FREE...
 
You are correct, and I'm sorry that I failed to include you in the list of demo options.  You've always been accommodating........please forgive my error.
post #18 of 21
It's OK Tricia, you know I don't actually care, I'm just giving you a hard time.
post #19 of 21
 Trekchick >  <Whiteroom

While we're at it, I do care that you didn't call me back when I invited you to dinner while I was at Stowe. 
post #20 of 21
I'm afraid of bears.
post #21 of 21
 Just bring a bell to dinner...
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