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What to specify when getting skis tuned?

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Hello,

So I've never paid much attention when bringing my skis to get tuned at a shop.  I've recently been thinking that some hack could easily give me a bad tune, or damage my edges.

What should I look for when bringing skis to a shop to get tuned?  Certain equipment?  Should I ask about the techs having certain skills?

The base and side edge degree tuning is also something I know nothing about.  Should I be asking for certain degrees to be sharpened?

Are there certain tuning requirements or suggested degree settings specific to my skis?

About me:  I'm a lifelong, advanced skier.  28 yr old. 5'7".  Ski 10+ days in the east and 6-10 days out west.  Skis are 06/07 Volkl Allstars 168cm.

Thanks,

Kevin
post #2 of 14
step one: find a ski shop that does quality work

step two: always refer back to step one

at a well run shop, they will have answers to all your questions. by communicating well with you about your skis, your skiing level, where you will be skiing, etc, they will be able to suss out your ski prep needs.

ask here on epic for a list of shops where you are skiing that do good prep work. ask friends or skiers on the lift, where they get good work done.

do not get hung up on details like what brand of machinery they use or what their process is. if they have a good reputation and communicate with you, all that matters is that the performance of your skis are enhanced when you put them on the snow.

jim
post #3 of 14
Assuming that the shop has experienced tech who can do as instructed, you need to tell them basically 4 things:

Side bevel
Base bevel
Detunning
Waxing preference

I generally go for 0.7-1 deg base, 2 deg side and no detunning. I don't really care about the wax since I don't race and the weather can change wildly.
post #4 of 14
What Tomb said, but unquestionably ask for a 3 deg side edge.

Read all of this website1

http://www.skimd.com
post #5 of 14
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post

What Tomb said, but unquestionably ask for a 3 deg side edge. 
 
What he said if you're from the midwest or east coast.
post #6 of 14
Thanks for the +1 but where ever you ski go to a 3!

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post #7 of 14
I made the mistake once of assuming "nobody" detunes skis anymore.  Tell them what you want.
post #8 of 14
+1. After telling them I wanted a spring structure, a 2 degree side bevel, 1 degree base bevel, red wax, not universal, and no fluro, I figured that was sufficient.  Lo and behold they detuned the tips and tails.  Totally screwed up the skis, I was furious.  I told them, that given the level of specificity I'd left them with, if I'd wanted them detuned, didn't they think I would have said that??????   I made them do it all over and they only charged $15 for the service by the time they were done.  I was PISSED. 

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Originally Posted by mdf View Post

I made the mistake once of assuming "nobody" detunes skis anymore.  Tell them what you want.
post #9 of 14
I think tuning is dependent on the ski and the pilot. I ask for 3/4 base and 3 side for most of my skis, and 1 base and 2 side for powder.
post #10 of 14
I had a girlfriend who never wanted to choose a movie or a restaurant... oddly, none of my choices were ever 'right', Epicski reminds me of her.

If you 'know' what you want for a detune, side edge, base bevel and what color wax you want (Toko and Swix aren't the same, by the way), then perhaps you should tune your own skis.  Once or twice a year ask for a stonegrind to get your bases flat and tell them you'll do the rest. Simple. 
post #11 of 14
Fixed it for ya!

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Originally Posted by shortturns View Post

I think tuning is dependent on the ski and the pilot. I ask for .75 base and 3 side for most of my skis, and 1 base and 2 side for powder.
 
post #12 of 14
+1  

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post

I had a girlfriend who never wanted to choose a movie or a restaurant... oddly, none of my choices were ever 'right', Epicski reminds me of her.

If you 'know' what you want for a detune, side edge, base bevel and what color wax you want (Toko and Swix aren't the same, by the way), then perhaps you should tune your own skis.  Once or twice a year ask for a stonegrind to get your bases flat and tell them you'll do the rest. Simple. 
post #13 of 14
For most of the low elevation areas, a nice hot wax of canning paraffin works very well. At Crystal and upper Stevens, White or Mission, add a colder temp rub on coat before you go in the snow. For most of my skiing, 5 days a week and 4 months a season or more I hot wax with the  canning wax every 2-3 days, and I touch up my edges every other time I wax. I use a 1x1 base to side this gives an easy turn initiation and still a long lasting 90 edge. A 1x2 gives a sharper edge but since it is an acute angle it dulls out faster. If you can feel the difference between a 1x1 and a 0.75x 0.75 edge, you are a much better skier than I will ever be.  Most of that is in the head of the skier, not in their feet.  An increased base bevel means an easier turn, but then the edge must be increased also. I teach, not a racer and my skis are not worth anything when I'm done. 
post #14 of 14
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Originally Posted by Jim Wells View Post

I use a 1x1 base to side this gives an easy turn initiation and still a long lasting 90 edge. A 1x2 gives a sharper edge but since it is an acute angle it dulls out faster. WHOSKOW!!!!  DON'T BELIEVE THIS FOR A SECOND, IT'S NOT TRUE!

if you can feel the difference between a 1x1 and a 0.75x 0.75 edge, you are a much better skier than I will ever be.  Most of that is in the head of the skier, not in their feet.  NO ONE SAID THEY CAN FEEL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A .75 X .75, WE ARE EVEN MORE AMAZING THEN THIS, WE CAN FEEL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A .75 X 3 AND A 1 X 3!!!!!! OR EVEN A .5 AND A .7 X 3!



An increased base bevel means an easier turn. EASIER!  I THINK NOT, SLOPPIER, DEFINETLY!


 iN THE SKIER'S HEAD, GIMME A BREAK! PLEEZ!!!!
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