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post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
Hi All,

I am looking for a new pair of boards to take to Tahoe this February. I live in Australia, but don't ski here, preferring N. America as my playground even if it is for less days per year.  Favourite resorts - Alta, Big White, Whitewater BC ;)

A bit of info about me: 5'8"  / 160lb athletic skier 25yrs + experience - grew up on longboard skis like Dynamic VR27's, Dynastar S9's etc, so always free skied on race skis.  I had some Dynastar Intuitiv 74's 175 which I found "short". OK off piste, and a bit average on piste, but not brilliant at much of anything.

If there's powder, I am in the trees + bowls hunting for fresh tracks... otherwise I like to pretend I can still rip the groomers, despite it being a very long time since i've raced.

So my list is a bit confused + was hoping for some good advice here to help sort it out:

Fischer Progressor 9+ 170cm
Dynastar Contact 4x4 178cm
Head im78 178cm
Atomic Crimson Ti 178cm ?

Thanks in advance

Matt

ps I used some Bandit B3's at Whistler a few years ago - found then way too soft for my liking.
Edited by MATT_SKI - 1/14/10 at 10:07pm
post #2 of 17
Matt:

Those are fine skis and all would do very well at the groomer ripping part of your wish list. I would say that those skis would be for someone who places groomer ripping as 80-90% of their priority.

If you were to say that you prioritize groomers and off trail roughly equally, then I'd say move your sights a little wider to something in the 85-95mm width range.

If you were to say that off trail performance is roughly 80-90% of your priority then you could go even wider in the 95-110mm range.

SJ
post #3 of 17
Thread Starter 

SJ

In an ideal world, I should probably have 2 sets of skis, but unfortunately not possible at this time!

Basically, if there's powder, I'm there, but if not then I am more than happy ripping around on groomers (I am sure i am not the only one who falls into this category)

The question could also be re phrased: should i get a detuned race style that has some versatility (progressors?) OR
get an all mountain ski that has some on piste ability?

So to answer your question, 85-90 is about where I'm at.  Does the Nomad Crimson Ti fall into this range?

M

post #4 of 17
Quote:
In an ideal world, I should probably have 2 sets of skis, but unfortunately not possible at this time!

Oh no!!....two is not ideal at all...think three (at least)

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....................get an all mountain ski that has some on piste ability? So to answer your question, 85-90 is about where I'm at.  Does the Nomad Crimson Ti fall into this range?

That would be a great range to be in and yes the Crimson Ti falls in that range. The Crimson and some others in this range are pretty darned stiff and thus are very good on groomers. Because of the stiffness though, they are still more biased towards hard snow rather than soft snow or bumps. Two skis with about and even balance between hard and soft snow in this width range are the Dynastar Sultan 85 and the Blizzard Cronus. Neither of these are quite as good as the Crimson on really hard snow but are better when the snow is soft, mixed and changeable.

SJ
post #5 of 17
I would suggest the Head iM88 especially the 2009/2010 model with less metal. Great ski both on and off piste. Run it with a 1 base/ 2 side and you will enjoy good grip and great powder and crud ability. Choose a slightly shorter length if your trees are a prioity and you should be pretty happy.

I am 6'2", 93 kg, ski instructor - 140 days per year and I am skiing this year:

Monster Chip (78) in 177cm - do everything really well
Head John (94) in 180cm  - deliberately short for easier skiing in trees and bumps, still pretty good on hard groomed.
Prior Overlord (115) in 183cm - deep powder, again deliberately short due to amount of time spent stash hunting in trees.

I have the iM82 in 177cm - pretty stiff, good one quiver ski with a piste bias (also have the Supershape Speed in 170cm) but I enjoy skiing the iM88 more (even on the piste) - it is probably one of the best 'on the mark' skis made in the last five years.

Book a demo who has a reduced price when you buy policy and be aware that all Head skis feel better with the issue binding rather than the standard demo binding.

Have a good trip.
post #6 of 17
 I agree with Jim, If you are looking to ski around 50/50 on/off piste then I would set your sights at something 90-100 underfoot. Now days you can get big skis that will still rip on the groomers.

Line prophet 90/100
Volkl Bridge
K2 PE
Nordica Enforcer

These are just a few of many. 
post #7 of 17
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Originally Posted by MATT_SKI View Post
If there's powder, I am in the trees + bowls hunting for fresh tracks... otherwise I like to pretend I can still rip the groomers, despite it being a very long time since i've raced.

 


I am a similar skier and I'd go with the Dynastar 4x4.  Many will tell you to go wider, but personally I'd rather compromise my off piste performance for top notch on piste skiing, even for a 50-50 split.  None of those fat skis will give you the feel of the 4x4 on piste, and any ski is fun in good powder.
post #8 of 17
In Tahoe, people mostly rock a 95 - 100mm waist. Dynastar, Volkl, Blizzard, Rossignol, Kaestle all make awsome skis in this category.

good luck.
post #9 of 17
Yo,
Check with Sierra Jim....he will lead you to your best bet...perhaps by demoing from his shop...
post #10 of 17
Thread Starter 
OK it looks like I am leaning towards something in the 80-90mm width range with good lateral stiffness, "race type construction" but still reasonably quick edge to edge.

The revised list this morning is:

Elan M888 / 178cm
Dynastar Mythic Rider
Head Monster IM88 (or maybe 82?)

Anyone skied these?
post #11 of 17
Tahoe is forcasted to get lots of snow this season.

Do yourself a favor and get some Gotama, they do ok on the groomers but will handle the powder very well.
post #12 of 17
There,s a Head iM82, 177 now in gear swap from Gotama...
This ski would work very well..
Check it out...lots of reviews here....use search function...
post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by MATT_SKI View Post

Hi All,

I am looking for a new pair of boards to take to Tahoe this February. I live in Australia, but don't ski here, preferring N. America as my playground even if it is for less days per year.  Favourite resorts - Alta, Big White, Whitewater BC ;)

A bit of info about me: 5'8"  / 160lb athletic skier 25yrs + experience - grew up on longboard skis like Dynamic VR27's, Dynastar S9's etc, so always free skied on race skis.  I had some Dynastar Intuitiv 74's 175 which I found "short". OK off piste, and a bit average on piste, but not brilliant at much of anything.

If there's powder, I am in the trees + bowls hunting for fresh tracks... otherwise I like to pretend I can still rip the groomers, despite it being a very long time since i've raced.

So my list is a bit confused + was hoping for some good advice here to help sort it out:

Fischer Progressor 9+ 170cm
Dynastar Contact 4x4 178cm
Head im78 178cm
Atomic Crimson Ti 178cm ?

Thanks in advance

Matt

ps I used some Bandit B3's at Whistler a few years ago - found then way too soft for my liking.
Hi Matt,

Since it sounds like you are looking for a preference for race-like groomer performance with some versatility, it looks like your list of:

Elan M888 / 178cm
Dynastar Mythic Rider
Head Monster IM88 (or maybe 82?)

Is right in the ballpark.  Could you go narrower or wider?  Sure, but if you go narrower and are sticking with a real high-end performer, you may find the ski to be more demanding off-piste than you really want.  Since you grew up on race skis and are used to skiing them everywhere, and likely have the skills to go with it, I doubt it will be a problem in your case. But, you could still get more than adequate, if not race-like groomer performance with the above skis. The first skis you had mentioned (the 4x4 list) are definitely more groomer oriented and getting close to being more forgiving cousins of race skis, but won't quite have the all-mountain ease of the wider 85-90mm skis.  If you go much wider than that, there are very few skis that offer race-like performance on hard snow, which is what I think you mentioned when we spoke.  The three that stick out are the Nordica Enforcer, Kastle MX98 and Stockli DP Pro+, which are serious boards; full laminate construction, fairly aggressive flex, and overall race-like characteristics and quality.  Most of the wider 90-100mm skis are adequate on groomers, but nobody with a race background would call them race-like.  If that is your priority, and you don't necessarily have the cash for a really special ski like the MX98, then something a bit narrower may be your best bet, as in your list above.  Also, the weather is going to play a big role in the ski you choose for a place like Tahoe. If it hasn't snowed in a few days, a ski like the 888 would be my choice at any rate: it skis much better than a wider, stiffer board in bumps, and is also more fun in general if there isn't any snow.  If it dumps, you might as well rent a big board for the day, rather than compromise by getting something really wide and lacking the precision you are looking for on hard snow.  Those have been my personal observations on various trips to Tahoe: I am on something like either a Head Peak 78, 82 or Elan 888 most of the time, and am on a much bigger ski when a storm shows up.  Just last week, I ran into this dilemma: the first day after the storm, my 1010's were the perfect ski, but the second day, the MX98 I borrowed was a better choice; chutes were bumping up and the wide-open skiing of the first day was reduced.  By the 4th day after the storm, a ski around 85mm underfoot would have been plenty (although the MX98 is pretty special, and more versatile and race-like at it's width than any other ski I am aware of, so it probably would work nearly any day out there).  But, I wouldn't be as excited to ski, say an older 100mm Gotama as a daily driver: too soft and too weak on the firmer snow, and a wimpy groomer ski.  Which is the typical trade-off when you get to wider skis and groomers: the very thing that makes them great in soft snow (big sweet spot, soft or rockered tip, long length, lack of grabbiness and very predictable, slowly engaging edge) makes them lousy groomer skis for those coming from a race background and expecting an exciting ride.  

It all depends on what trade-offs you are willing to make, and where you are coming from.  I know of VERY good skiers in Squaw who ski nothing wider than 85mm, and other VERY good skiers who ski 110mm every day.  They are each looking for a certain feel in their skis and are willing to make trade-offs elsewhere to get that feel. 
post #14 of 17
Thread Starter 
 Hey Scott, thanks for you considered reply + great to chat to you on the phone the other day.

As you have already picked up, I am more than happy to ski with something a bit demanding off piste - I have had plenty of time on skinny 200cm slalom skis in the trees - anything shorter + modern still feels like cheating, so am more than comfortable in that respect.

I have boiled my choices down a bit now + am reasonably convinced that something around 82-88mm waist, but at the most "race like" end of things would work for me.
 
I must admit that I have a soft spot for Dynastars (being the old s9)  - light + lively + precise - I know they are a very different ski, but there are some characteristics that still apply. 

So far I have found good deals on Atomic Crimson Ti's, Monster im88's + Elan M888's + one of these is likely to be my final choice.
 
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by MATT_SKI View Post

 Hey Scott, thanks for you considered reply + great to chat to you on the phone the other day.

As you have already picked up, I am more than happy to ski with something a bit demanding off piste - I have had plenty of time on skinny 200cm slalom skis in the trees - anything shorter + modern still feels like cheating, so am more than comfortable in that respect.

I have boiled my choices down a bit now + am reasonably convinced that something around 82-88mm waist, but at the most "race like" end of things would work for me.
 
I must admit that I have a soft spot for Dynastars (being the old s9)  - light + lively + precise - I know they are a very different ski, but there are some characteristics that still apply. 

So far I have found good deals on Atomic Crimson Ti's, Monster im88's + Elan M888's + one of these is likely to be my final choice.
 

I would put this in Chinese if I could, but...
there's an excellent ski for you in gear swap right now, a ski that been alluded to by dawgcatching et al in this very thread, and it's a 09 177 Head iM 82 used 3 times, and it's one of the best all-around skis for your weight....I happen to be 5 lbs lighter than you and have enjoyed it at Tahoe, finding it better than very many other skis..

Oh, sorry, you don't speak Chinese?....Boo!
post #16 of 17
Thread Starter 
thanks for the tip - I will PM him.

missed out by a few hours  - sold to a local buyer, so the list still stands.
Edited by MATT_SKI - 1/18/10 at 12:44am
post #17 of 17
Thread Starter 
I've decided to run with Atomic Nomad Blackeyes as firstly I can get a great deal on them, they are a bit stiffer than the head im78's, they are lighter to hike / tour with + the graphic design is miles ahead ;).  I would now consider them as the main part of a quiver, rather than expecting a ski without compromises in all conditions.

I think dawgcatching's advice for having a versatile ski for most the time is spot on - If a storm comes in, I will either rent bigger boards or just ski whatever i have strapped on my feet as it's always fun - be it old school 200cm race boards or something new and fat.  For the rest of the time I want to be on something that i can get good hardpack performance + some versatility for off piste.

Thanks to all for comments.
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