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post #61 of 69
"Saying that wider skis can do the same thing is wrong."  I guess it depends on your definition of "wide".

I have found from experience and many demo days that waist widths up to ~84mm don't lose me any edge hold, or any meaningful amount of edge to edge quickness.  I was not appreciably slower edge to edge on a Volkl G4/G41 than on any narrower ski, even on hardpack.

~90mm is when skis start to feel a bit planky -- a good ski will still hold a carve, but it takes longer and more effort to transition.  Unfortunately this is also the point where skis really start to float above the crud instead of being way down in it.

So: in my experience, there is really no reason to get a ski with a waist <80mm unless you are actually bashing gates.  The extra width will help you a great deal in any offpiste condition, and it will not hinder you onpiste.

IMO.
post #62 of 69
Ok ok Im sorry I and my comments are so stupid. I like making nice carved turns like the rest of you( I was a racer). I unlike most recreational skiers I am out there to ski to the best of my ability. I love skiing offpiste and in pow. So naturally Im bias toward wider skis. Im also younger meaning Im part of the new generation of skiers. If you love making carved turns on hardpack all the time even just recreationally, then skinny skis are for you. Just dont say that wider skis cant carve turns or suck on hardpack cause they dont. If you have the ability you could, if you absolutely had to, ski any ski on any type of conditions. Some skis are better for other conditions while others arnt. This is my opinion. Please don't call me stupid for voicing it. Thankyou
post #63 of 69
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Originally Posted by spatters View Post

"Saying that wider skis can do the same thing is wrong."  I guess it depends on your definition of "wide".

I have found from experience and many demo days that waist widths up to ~84mm don't lose me any edge hold, or any meaningful amount of edge to edge quickness.  I was not appreciably slower edge to edge on a Volkl G4/G41 than on any narrower ski, even on hardpack.

~90mm is when skis start to feel a bit planky -- a good ski will still hold a carve, but it takes longer and more effort to transition.  Unfortunately this is also the point where skis really start to float above the crud instead of being way down in it.

So: in my experience, there is really no reason to get a ski with a waist <80mm unless you are actually bashing gates.  The extra width will help you a great deal in any offpiste condition, and it will not hinder you onpiste.

IMO.

 


  Agreed! However I don't notice a difference with my P90s...it might be because they are so stiff though. BTW anyone looking for a good all mountain ski that can shred the groomers and ice as well as the pow, check out the 90s
post #64 of 69
Thread Starter 
Without precision carving I am concerned about those towers I am almost kissing while skiing the line, I am concerned about holding that super G style turn as I turn away from the tree line at high speed.  I share those same concerns when I wail on the ABS brakes on my BMW Motorcycle, I expect a response and may very well need it to live whether on the front side or the road.  BTW the road is no race track, it is not clear, there is no one to inspect the track.  Want to test a bikes limits, go to a track.  I test my limits and my skis limits all the time on the hill, what type "A" wouldn't be?  Ski fast and take chances. ATGATT

-Seamuis
post #65 of 69
Have you met Chaos?

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Without precision carving I am concerned about those towers I am almost kissing while skiing the line, I am concerned about holding that super G style turn as I turn away from the tree line at high speed.  I share those same concerns when I wail on the ABS brakes on my BMW Motorcycle, I expect a response and may very well need it to live whether on the front side or the road.  BTW the road is no race track, it is not clear, there is no one to inspect the track.  Want to test a bikes limits, go to a track.  I test my limits and my skis limits all the time on the hill, what type "A" wouldn't be?  Ski fast and take chances. ATGATT

-Seamuis
 
post #66 of 69
Man, we're soulmates.

I too worry about precision carving.  When I slice and dice through the slalom of gapers, I too worry about kissing one while holding my perfect line.  Who knows, they might have cold sores.  Same thing when I sight, grasp, and execute the holeshot through the momentary gap exposed by the differential motion of traffic when I'm negotiating the aisles of Costco.  I mean, I expect the cart to track true as I thrust it between certain death and pasta marinara.  I test my life and abilities in the maw of big-box chaos and shopper Brownian motion; I mean, anything else just isn't living.


Edited by DtEW - 1/19/10 at 8:37pm
post #67 of 69
Thread Starter 
Virtus_Probi.. I hope not to.

DtEW.. your sarcasm was funny, soulmate or not.

I have gerbils running in little wheels in my head, the only time I don't hear them is when I am engaged in an activty that requires 100% of my attention.  Skiing can be that if you push yourself, just turning the key on a motorcycle better do that or else you should get off.  We all need our escapes from the reality of day to day life and those are a couple of mine.

-Seamuis
post #68 of 69
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Virtus_Probi.. I hope not to.

DtEW.. your sarcasm was funny, soulmate or not.

I have gerbils running in little wheels in my head, the only time I don't hear them is when I am engaged in an activty that requires 100% of my attention.  Skiing can be that if you push yourself, just turning the key on a motorcycle better do that or else you should get off.  We all need our escapes from the reality of day to day life and those are a couple of mine.

-Seamuis
 




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Originally Posted by DtEW View Post

Man, we're soulmates.

I too worry about precision carving.  When I slice and dice through the slalom of gapers, I too worry about kissing one while holding my perfect line.  Who knows, they might have cold sores.  Same thing when I sight, grasp, and execute the holeshot through the momentary gap exposed by the differential motion of traffic when I'm negotiating the aisles of Costco.  I mean, I expect the cart to track true as I thrust it between certain death and pasta marinara.  I test my life and abilities in the maw of big-box chaos and shopper Brownian motion; I mean, anything else just isn't living.



 


get a room!
post #69 of 69
Thread Starter 
davluri.. you sound jealous, where's the love man?
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