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post #91 of 105
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Originally Posted by Steve2ski View Post

 I understand some area's now are allowing the use of bicyles (modified), I haven't seen them yet, but hope some areas ban them. I may or may not frequent those areas that allow them. 


These are called ski-bikes.  A few places rent them, mostly resorts that cater to Texans.  They've been around for about a decade. 

I don't think it's much of an issue over whether to allow them, as I don't think anybody actually buys them, it's just something to rent to gapers.  So, unless the resort chooses to rent them, they're effectively banned.

BTW, my understanding is that Vail has them, but only allows them on certain trails and at certain times.  I'm not eager to share a hill with them, since an out of control person on a ski bike can do some real damage carrying that bike frame.  But I have, and I've survived.
post #92 of 105
There's a thread for that.

I ski a lot of places that permit them and very few are there. Seldom seen. I know someone that uses one because his knees are shot.
post #93 of 105
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Originally Posted by Walt View Post

  They've been around for about a decade. 

 
They've been around since at least the 70's. I remember seeing a few during that time. Before that, I don't know, because I wasn't skiing before then.
post #94 of 105
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Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post

It seems that majority of negative comments on this forum towards snowboarding come from people who do most of their skiing on a glorified garbage mound or 1k vert ice sheet.
Actually that really about sums it up.
post #95 of 105
Its only discrimination if its unwarranted. I'd have no problem with people riding the hill on garbage can lids if they didn't a). hit me or my friends/students on an almost daily basis, b) stop beneath every roller and spread out across the run like some kind of blockade, c), scrape all the soft snow off every drop-in on the hill.
  I'm sorry that's the facts. If you think its bigotted, you should spend more time educating riders than whining to justifiably miffed skiers.
 
  I was hit once last night and so was one of my students. It happens almost every evening. Funny thing is I am a patroller and so are my students. I teach a ski enhancement class for the patrol and if you are not bombing down the hill you are at risk of being overtaken and clipped. Now days if you drop right next to me, so close that I can touch you, its you tha'ts going down not me, I have had it.
   There are some other groups that cause problems yes, junior racers, well they can turn and are annoying at worst, some others but far and away its riders that cause accidents and bad vibes.
   I truly wish it wasn't the case and we could live in mountain harmony, but there it is, if its going to change riders are going to have to start educating themselves, learn to turn and get some courtesy. If this makes you mad, good, go out and change it.
   Oh and btw, I have plenty of friends that ride but you know they can ride, and don't act like asses.
post #96 of 105
Thing is here is that I may live in the Midwest, but I do most of my skiing out west.  I'm spending over 10 days out west skiing this year.  Might only ski around here for 3-5 days at 5 hours per time.  So basically that might equal 3 days out west max... since I enjoy skiing the full day there.

Either way, it doesnt negate the fact that snowboarders scrape all the snow off the hills out here.  Additionally, it doesnt negate the fact that there is a larger potential for visibility issues with snowboarders vs skiers.

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Actually that really about sums it up.
 
post #97 of 105
Another funny thing about this quote:

Who cares if its a 1K vertical?  You could go out west and choose the ski the same 6-8 runs for about 1K vertical out there, too.  Not that you would necessarily, but you could.

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Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post

It seems that majority of negative comments on this forum towards snowboarding come from people who do most of their skiing on a glorified garbage mound or 1k vert ice sheet. Or is that just the majority of epic ski members are east coast/midwest ? Anyway this will be my last post in this thread. I actually could care less about 3 mountains that are in their own world. Especially when there is so much prime snow open to all.
to those of you who are ignorant about really skilled snowboarders; Your delusion that there are more crappy snowboarders than there are skiers is misguided. The slopes are littered with people who are absolutely terrible at both.
 
post #98 of 105
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Originally Posted by pdxammo View Post

Its only discrimination if its unwarranted. I'd have no problem with people riding the hill on garbage can lids if they didn't a). hit me or my friends/students on an almost daily basis, b) stop beneath every roller and spread out across the run like some kind of blockade, c), scrape all the soft snow off every drop-in on the hill.
  I'm sorry that's the facts. If you think its bigotted, you should spend more time educating riders than whining to justifiably miffed skiers.
 
  I was hit once last night and so was one of my students. It happens almost every evening. Funny thing is I am a patroller and so are my students. I teach a ski enhancement class for the patrol and if you are not bombing down the hill you are at risk of being overtaken and clipped. Now days if you drop right next to me, so close that I can touch you, its you tha'ts going down not me, I have had it.
   There are some other groups that cause problems yes, junior racers, well they can turn and are annoying at worst, some others but far and away its riders that cause accidents and bad vibes.
   I truly wish it wasn't the case and we could live in mountain harmony, but there it is, if its going to change riders are going to have to start educating themselves, learn to turn and get some courtesy. If this makes you mad, good, go out and change it.
   Oh and btw, I have plenty of friends that ride but you know they can ride, and don't act like asses.

 


I read your profile so I will assume that you patrol at meadows. I spent about 50 days there last winter. There are just as many bad skiers as bad snowboarders there. You mentioned junior racers, at all 3 areas on Hood I consider them to be the rudest most dangerous people around. Totally in their own world. And a sense of entitlemet that is completely mind boggling. I believe Meadows real problem is that a majority of the terrain funnels down into the base area. A lot of the people that go to meadows for the terrain should really be on the rope tow at Ski Bowl
Edited by ecimmortal - 1/14/10 at 10:16am
post #99 of 105
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post #100 of 105
you assume incorrectly. I do however spend alot of time at MHM , and yes there are just as many bad skiers as bad boarders. However I, and people in my charge are not in any where near as much danger from the skiers as the boarders. If yo think otherwise you are in denial. This is a FACT I can back back it up statisticaly and subjectively. I do not wish it to be so but, it is. If you don't believe me, go night skiing some time and go down the hill at a modest rate doing regularly sized shaped turns and let me know how it goes.
  You know if I go out free skiing its not a prob I go faster than most boarders and am in control, so I don't get overtaken. But, if we slow it down to demo a technique or relax thats where the danger lies. I feel bad for beginners and intermediates that have no choice to weather the maelstrom of uphill traffic whizzing by them. I would never bring my young children to an enviroment like that.
  I cannot even count how many times there has been collisions and near misses during instructional activities, people doing perfectly regular turns that are wholly predictable, and here comes joe blow and wham"sorry dude, I didn't see you". how the f is that they were right in front of you! seriously, lets keep it real and stop pretending its not a problem. It absolutely happens in a disporportionate amount with riders than skiers. I don't single them out because they are different I call them out because they are the problem. If it was novice skiers I would say so. If it was racers I would say so, but its not.
  The image is well earned and until they want to be respected, as a community, and make an effort to educate other and younger riders it will continue to be the perception and a problem.
post #101 of 105
   You know this sounds like an anti-boarder rant. Its really not. I love sharing the hill with anyone and I always hold a pole out to pull riders through a traverse and enjoy watching the different way they move across the snow. I want to learn to ride, i tried it once, it felt great on soft snow.
   My rant is against people who hit/menace other sliders and block the runs and the OP's question was "why are riders banned at some resorts"  I'm just trying to give an honest answer and rebut some of the subsequent posters that there is unearned discrimination. OK
post #102 of 105
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Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post

It seems that majority of negative comments on this forum towards snowboarding come from people who do most of their skiing on a glorified garbage mound or 1k vert ice sheet.

Yep.  Now, think for a moment about where that ice sheet comes from.

Hint: heel scrapers.

Or is that just the majority of epic ski members are east coast/midwest ?

My take is that it's related to how busy the hill is.  Where you can get away from the crowds and have the trail to yourself (or make your own trail), what others are doing is not all that relevant.  But try sharing a run with 400 of your closest friends, and you become less tolerant of certain forms of behavior.
post #103 of 105
This is true.  I feel that boarders and skiers are generally similar when compared to same age groups.

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Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post

I ski. And I have repeated many times that there are just as many menaces on 2 planks as there are on 1. Those places are shit shows because of thef total package that they attract.
 
post #104 of 105
We call it the five, 0



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Originally Posted by Skidude04 View Post

Kinda funny - I was skiing with 2 buddies on Sat (one was a boarder).  We see this boarder just chillin in the middle of the run halfway down the hill.. We got off the lift, raced down the run, and gave that guy 3 waves of snow all over his entire body.  His bright green jacket was white.  Didn't see him sitting in the middle of anywhere after that.

If snowboarders keep their revolution of sitting in middle of runs, we, as skiers, should help them learn how to NOT sit there by covering them in snow "on accident" while trying to "avoid" them on the run.
 
post #105 of 105
Actually I wish there were more places for knuckle draggers only.
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