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post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
Hi, I am 31, 75kg, 5'8", I am from New Zealand where we just ski, 2009 July - October. 

I got into ski after a few yrs delay.  I asked a store that I was struggling and he suggested some more expensive rentals which I really liked - Head iSupershape - the red ones at 160 size.  

Prior to that all I had was the cheap rentals at the rental shop or at the mountain hire.  They weren't the ski's you get at the shops.  One of them I had for a couple of days was Rossignol Elite 160.  They weren't heavy, but I found them hard to turn and I couldn't swerve in them, maybe less grip.

I was so impressed with them I asked him if they were beginner ski's but was told they were actually an advanced ski.  All along I was told never to look at advanced ski's because they would ski you instead. 

I also tried a demo, K2 Apache Raider - an intermeidate level all mountain ski.  Good reviews on the net but I didn't like.  Not as much grip, a bit more spongy and I happened to knock the edges at each other frequently going down a gentle slope to the chair lifts. 

I only skied really for one season so why is that I found an advanced ski better?

Edited by rayonline - 1/11/10 at 7:22pm
post #2 of 10
Thread Starter 
Ok, maybe I done 10-15 days of ski.  I have used personal ski lessons as in the past I didn't learn much in groups. 

I am upper beginner I think.  I am out of the greens and into the blues.  I don't like ice esp in late season morning.  I do 100% groomed surfaces only.  Cannot do parallels yet.  Althou, blues is debatable, you go to another ski resort and the blues are definitely steeper but that might still be called a green. 

Maybe I am beginning blues then.
post #3 of 10
The review on SKIPRESSWORLD.COM will easily answer your question . Simply go to the MAG link, and search the 09/10 reviews.
post #4 of 10
The iSupershape is a great ski to improve with. It's very narrow waisted and that makes it turn very easily. It responds very well to tipping your feet and knees as the  movements to turn the ski. The owner of one well know ski instruction school, PMTS, highly recommends it at intermediate and above levels. Some very good skiers use it every day. It's not a high speed, big mountain cruiser.

160 is on the shorter side, but, will serve you well in learning how to turn. The skis handle speed fairly well as long as they are kept on edge. I say "go for it".

I'm 190 lb. and use the 170 cm iSupershape.
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post #6 of 10
Thread Starter 
Hey all, thanks !!

I read the first post of that thread you posted to me.  Sounds like me. 
Will continue reading the whole thread but excited enough to post this now. 

Many moons ago, I just couldn't ski in group lessons so 2009 I took personal lessons, I didn't even use groups once.  Took me a good 4 or 5 in the beginner area before I went to blues, my instructor was also cautious.  

I find the cheap stuff ok for real beginner area but struggles when you first hit blues, any blues.  You could ski straight and do rollerblade turns but if they have ice and steeper they don't have control or grip, to me it was just getting down, no fun at all.  With the iSupershapes I could enjoy myself, I pulled my 90 swerve turn beside my instructor without trying it before and I did it few more times with again success.  Then I thought hey, I am only learning, pretty expensive rentals, I returned them for cheaper stuff, next day, I could tell I made the wrong decision, they didn't grip, and I couldn't do one of my fancy turns.  

I could actually confidently turn in them.  I didn't have to put undue pressure on them.  

I asked the rental place, hey are these beginner ski's because at the time I was embarassed that they  saw me with beginner ski's cos they were so easy to ski on. 

Now it is summer, for us, I intend to get a pair of iSS 160s next winter :D
post #7 of 10
While I certainly agree that SuperShapes are great skis, even for beginning skiers, I suspect there might be another issue going on here.

Rightly or wrongly, "beginner" skis from the rental shops often have terrible tune jobs.  The skis get beat up by the people on them and often the shops can't keep up with the tuning, particularly during busy periods.  They're also relatively soft to begin with and end up getting skied so much that whatever camber and edge they may have started with has long since disappeared.  So, it's often the case that beginner skis are at a huge disadvantage as far as edging on hard snow.

The SS you rented, on the other hand, probably get skied a lot less and are tuned more frequently.

I'm not saying that the SS wouldn't be a great ski for you, I'm just saying that it may be a pretty apples and oranges comparison.
post #8 of 10
Thread Starter 
I did buy a K2 Apache Raider - intermediate level ski all mountain.  B/c I was told it is a more versatile ski and being an intermediate ski it is more forgiving.  The shop sold me 167 instead, I usually use 160. 

I was hesitant so I left them at home, went up and go the $$ SS rentals then I liked.  I then asked the store for some demo K2 Raiders to make sure if they are ok or not.  I tried them and didn't like them.  Spongy, not responsive and I tended to clang the ski's to each other while I was doing a gentle down hill glide to the lifts.  They were better than the cheap rentals but didn't like them.  Wasn't easy to turn.  16m turn radius, while the SS had a 10.7m I think. 

Now I returned the K2's.  :D
post #9 of 10
The "right" ski for you is the one that gives you confidence, feels good, does what you ask and makes you smile ... ignore all the stuff about intermediate or advanced.  Some advanced skis are capable but forgiving - meaning that an improving intermediate skier can still drive them - and the SS certainly fits that mold. 

When you feel good on a pair of skis, you will improve and learn much more effectively than on a pair of skis that's either too much or too little.  In this case go with your gut ... and your gut seems to be telling you to go with the SS's!

Before you buy, however, I might try them in both 160 and 165.  If you feel good on the longer length, they will serve you better as your skills improve.  If not, go with the 160's ... as you become a better skier, your needs and tastes will likely change which means you may be looking for something different in a couple of years anyway.
post #10 of 10
Hey OES, how 'bout dem i supershapes now?

I have owned dozens of skis.....the i supershape is by far my best ski ever.

I am 6', 190 lb and I ski i supershape sw
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