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Twin Tips vs flat tailed skis

post #1 of 9
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I know that twin tip skis do not carve as well as flat tailed skis. I've skied both and can testify to that. I was just wondering from a technical standpoint why turned up tail of a twin tipped ski hinders carving so much?
post #2 of 9
It doesn't (clarification edit: necessarily hinder carving).

The only reason is there is no reason for having twin tips on a carving-focused ski.  So existing twin-tipped skis are always built toward some end other than pure carving (jibbing, all-mountain/ungroomed, etc.)

I'm sure you can always contract a custom ski builder to build you a pair of twin-tips with a narrow waist, deep sidecut and race build, but I'm sure he'd look at you kinda funny.

(edited to clarify my initial remark)
Edited by DtEW - 1/11/10 at 4:09pm
post #3 of 9
I don't think that's necessarily true. I've skied some twinn tips that carve awesomely. Depends on the ski. Depends on the contact length of the ski you are on. There are  twinn tips made for the park and jibbing that are great all mountain do everything skis. I happen to be skiing one.
post #4 of 9
I have not come across a twintip that carves as well as a Fischer WC SC.  Have you?

Basically it's not because the twin tipped skis have slightly turned up tails that they don't carve well, it's just that skis designed to carve well, (i.e. flex balance, soft tip, stiff tail,  race construction, etc.) don't usually have turned up tails.
post #5 of 9

Although it's only a "slight" twin tip, the Atomic Snoop Daddy (2008-09) carves really well

post #6 of 9
 any ski can carve, but if your buying a twin to ski all mountain as long as it can GS turns well enough to get you to bumps or trees who cares if a Fisher WC SL can out carve it?

My PE, snoops, Thugs, Seths, Gotama all carve well enough, well the thugs is alittle tough when the snow is hard(120mm waist), but everything is pretty freaking good. Are they as good as My Head SS? no but niether is the SS at skiing off trail.
post #7 of 9
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Originally Posted by aj5474 View Post

I was just wondering from a technical standpoint why turned up tail of a twin tipped ski hinders carving so much?


It doesn't. Sorry if that's too technical.
post #8 of 9
The only 2 differences I've ever noticed is a flat tail won't skid the end of the turn as easily as a turned up tail.  The other much more significant difference is the turned up tail is harder to shove in the snow vertically at lunch. 
post #9 of 9
Technical?  It is the shape of the tail that touches the snow.  You can arc most twin tips just fine, but it is diffiicult to carve when changing the natural radius of the ski.  Flatter tails (where it touches the snow) allow you to change the radii better, like on ski-cross boards and most carvers.   Most skiers and boarders can't carve turns anyway,(they slide them everywhere) so switching to twin tips is no big deal.   In fact, they probably give them more stability when skidding down the mountain. For those of us who grew up racing, nothing beats the feeling of speed and stability that only comes from carved turns.  Twin tips are for powder and the park, and they are great for both.  They are also good for the industry that needs something new to sell in tough economic times. 
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