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Rossignol Phantom SC 87

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 

This section of Epicski is interesting, although until now I haven't participated much, as I think that ski reviews are very subjective and personal.  I always kind of think, " If it works for you, great", but everyone has different preferences. 

But, I finally got some time yesterday on an excellent "sleeper" ski that doesn't get much mention here or in other forums.  Skiied the Rossignol Phantom SC87 - 178cm w/ Marker Speedpoint demo bindings, my impression is that this is an fantastic ski, one of the nicest that I've tried in its class.  (Me - 6'1", 225#, middle aged, level 7-9). Snow conditions were thin and variable, 6" of crud, rough groomed, some hard manmade, and small bumps.  

The ski; very stable and smooth, excellent in GS type turns, but will easily transition to quicker turns with more "tip pressure".  The edge grip was very good and they carved well for a ski this wide.  They held an edge very well on the firm manmade snow, a big improvement over the Bandit skis that they replaced in Rossignol's line. These are excellent at speed, it seemed that the harder I pushed them the smoother they got.  The SC 87 also seems livelier than the old Bandits with a fair amount of rebound out of the turn.   For as strong as this ski is, it did not strike me as terribly demanding, it was fairly forgiving of balance mistakes or inaccurate carved turns ( in other words, it skidded without much protest).  The thing I noticed right away, was that I was immediately comfortable and confident with this ski, and it really excelled in relatively rugged conditions.  I was also skiing some Head Peak 78's, and Fischer Watea 94's, and the Phantoms were by far more stable and smooth than these two skis (that aren't slouches by the way).  They seemed to really smooth out the bumpy conditions.  

I notice that there isn't much love for Rossi on this forum.  Maybe because of the relatively forgiving nature of the Bandits etal.  But, since they have upgraded their ski construction to wood core, metal laminate, sidewall construction, IMO they are definitely worth a second look.  The new Rossignols that I have skiied are not quite as damp and lifeless as they used to be.  The new Rossi, is definitely stronger, more muscular, and have some pop in and out of the turn. 

I have skiied several other skis in this class (and many are excellent), Head Peak im88, Nordica Jet Fuel Ti, Stockli Stormrider VXL & XXXL, Volkl AC50, Volkl Grizzly, Fischer Watea 84 and 94.  But I think that this new Rossignol Phantom SC87 perhaps displays the best balance of skills over any of the skis mentioned above.  But, like I stated in the beginning, this review is very subjective.  My recommendation is, if you are looking at skis in this category, give this one some consideration, I was very impressed.

post #2 of 19
I'd write the same review for the 97's. The Phantom series is a night and day improvement over the B series skis. They're responsive, agile and stable at speed. I've skied the 97 in both hard and soft snow conditions including moguls. I was really surprised how maneuverable the ski is considering it's 97cm underfoot. It's easy to forget that it's a wide ski. The 87 and 97 share the same construction so it's safe to expect similar performance from the two with the 87 having shorter turning radius.
post #3 of 19
Im really curious about the both size phantoms.  I should have demo'd them last week during a trip. They seem to be light years ahead of the bandit just in fit and feel.  Id love to hear more comments about this ski.
post #4 of 19
 I skied the Phantom 87 in a 178 earlier this year on hardpack.  I liked the ski a lot.  It felt stable, did what it was told, and didn't talk back.  I felt like I could be happy skiing on it longer term.  It seemed, to me, to lack personality.  It didn't give much back when I pushed it harder.  I found that I liked the Dynastar, Mythic Rider 178, feel much better.  I definitely think that the MR is a more demanding ski and will talk back occasionally.  I also think it gives more back in the end.  It would have been nice to ski my demos in more varied conditions and bumps.  The MR does not reward sloppy technique in the bumps and the Watea 94 or Phantom 87 might be more forgiving there.  I just skied my first real day on my new MR and had a blast on ski that actually has an edge.  The bumps and north facing snow were fun and I didn't hit any rocks.  
post #5 of 19
I wanted to bump this thread. I am very interested in purchasing this ski next year or towards the end of this season when things go on sale. Right now I just can't afford it and I would rather make another trip out west on my old Bandit B2's than sit at home with new skis. I would like more people to talk about their experience with this ski.  
post #6 of 19
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I wanted to bump this thread. I am very interested in purchasing this ski next year or towards the end of this season when things go on sale. Right now I just can't afford it and I would rather make another trip out west on my old Bandit B2's than sit at home with new skis. I would like more people to talk about their experience with this ski.  
I agree, i would also be curious to know if this year's while colored model skis differently then last years black topped version.  Others have posted here that the black colored model was a bit "boring"
post #7 of 19
Thread Starter 
The Phantom SC 87 is new this year for Rossignol, it is black and copper in color.  The Phantom SC97 was new last year (black graphics) and this years graphics are mostly white.  These skis are different construction than past Rossignols (wood core, metal laminate, sidewall construction) but are still damp.  It is a question of taste whether you like damp skis or not.  I get plenty of energy in and out of the turn with these when you load them up and for what it's worth much more energy than the old Bandit stuff.  It's just taste...  Give them a demo ride and compare with others in the category.
post #8 of 19
I demoed this ski a couple weeks ago in a 178. I am 210 5'9". I traded them out after 1 run down a hardpack blue groomer. The SC87 felt sort of like an intermediate park ski to me in terms of carving and grip on hard snow.  The feel was not damp at all, it was hyper active lively and all over the place.
post #9 of 19
A good example of why demo-ing matters.  Tromano's impressions as valid as anyone's. of course-

But where he found the lack of dampness and the excessive liveliness a negative, others (like myself) find those attributes a real positive (although, I don't find them 'excessively' lively or under-damp).

I love this year's upper end rossi line (the exit of Quick silver and the return of the original rossi family owners has started to really make itself felt throughout the product line).  The SC87 is a sleeper hit-I have a few friends who use them as tele-skis and couldn't be happier.  I found them reasonable on hard surfaces in the east (they ain't a slalom ski of course) and a wonderful softer-snow/ tight spaces eastern tree ski and softer bump ski.   The very moderate early tip ride (less than on the bigger Phantom line) adds a nice touch of deeper snow ease of use.

They're worth try for those looking for a most-purpose ski.
post #10 of 19
 I demoed these towards the start of the season while I was trying to determine which ski to buy.  I have been skiing on Rossys for a number of years and this did feel like a significant improvement over the last few years.  For the price these seemed like a great value, so they ended up at the top of my list.  However after demo-ing the Volkl unlimited series in the Grizzly, AC50 and AC30 the Rossy ski felt like a step back.  The Volkl ripped through everything I could throw at it and ask for more.  The biggest difference for me was edge grip and the Rossy could not hold the ice as well as the Volkl.  The AC50 was really the best fit for me and I could not be more pleased with my purchase, however I still think the Rossy is a solid ski and perhaps a better value if price is a consideration.  
post #11 of 19
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did what it was told, and didn't talk back.  I felt like I could be happy skiing on it longer term.  It seemed, to me, to lack personality.  It didn't give much back when I pushed it harder.

+1 on teton pwdr junkie's comments. I had the EXACT same reaction to this ski. I skied well on it, but it did not sing for me. Would not buy. I skied several other skis of similar width the same day. This one was functional but forgetable.
post #12 of 19
Demoed this ski about two weeks ago. Had a very hard time controlling the ski early in the morning when it was a little icy. But, when the snow softened up, the ski really showed its strengths. Was noticeably harder to carve AND slip than a pair of solomon x-wings of similar length. I regretted trading the x-wings in for the sc87's because it did affect my skiing in a negative way, but they are a decent ski - at least from my point of view.
post #13 of 19

I am still looking for the all around ski to purchase and found this ski right in my price range. I'm always skiing the moguls and junk when it's not storming.  Would this ski be a mistake for someone like me, an "athletic" type skier who likes to push it in the bumps, whether it is too much for me or not!

post #14 of 19

Anyone try the Phantom SC108?

post #15 of 19
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Anyone try the Phantom SC108?



I tried them the year before last when I was demoing powder skis.  I have Rossi B3's that I love, so I expected to like the 108's.

They were so stiff and had so little sidecut that I was unable to turn them (except by hopping them around).

I put them up on edge, they kept going straight, and I fell over sideways.

Traded them out after one run.  (Wound up buying K2 Coombas).

post #16 of 19

Is last year's SC87 the same as this year's S86?

post #17 of 19

So not a groomer ski.biggrin.gif  There's always a reason if the price sounds too good. I'll take them out this week and see if fair any better. Thanks for the reply.
 

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Anyone try the Phantom SC108?



I tried them the year before last when I was demoing powder skis.  I have Rossi B3's that I love, so I expected to like the 108's.

They were so stiff and had so little sidecut that I was unable to turn them (except by hopping them around).

I put them up on edge, they kept going straight, and I fell over sideways.

Traded them out after one run.  (Wound up buying K2 Coombas).

post #18 of 19
Thread Starter 

Wound up skiing the SC 87 most of last season, and sold them this summer.  I will stick with most of my original comments about this ski, but with the following reservations:

 

1.  Definitely handle bumps and 3D (crud) snow conditions very predictably, and with ease.

2.  Groomer and hard snow performance turns out to be just  "ok". Holds an edge well, and is stable and smooth, but lacks any dynamic qualities.            Not real sure if it is just this model, but maybe just typical to most skis with 85-95mm waists. 

3.  Powder performance is adequate but not stellar. 

 

I would consider this ski and this year's Rossignol S86 (I think that they are identical except for paint), to be a capable, SUV type of ski, that is a jack of all trades but master of none.  If groomer and carving performance is important to you, buy a narrower, more dynamic, ski.  If you are more soft snow oriented, buy a wider ride.  Definitely a good ski, but not sure that I would put it as the top model in the mixed snow category as SKI mag did this year in their test.

post #19 of 19

I'm riding a pair of these for tele.  I'm really liking the blend of performance.  I had not been on a Rossi since I had a pair of Hellgates.  As previously stated this is a great hybrid of characteristics.  Competent in a wide variety of conditions. 

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