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Elan 1010 Alu

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
 Thanks to Dawgcatching, I am the proud new owner of a pair of Elan 1010 Alu skis, 183 cm, 140/110/130, 23.9m radius. I am 6'1", 175 pounds, level 8 skier and I usually ski at Alta or Solitude three or four times a week. My other downhill skis are 181 cm Liberty Hazmats (94 mm under foot), 184cm Stöckli Stormrider XLs (75 mm under foot) and a pair of 193 cm Stöckli DP Pros (94 mm under foot).

I was up at Alta on Friday, two days after a 5" snowfall over a crusty base. Less than normal snowfall so far this year with a base of only about 55". I wasn't planning on skiing the 1010s and only had them in the car so I could have the bindings set and checked. My ski for the day was a pair of Stöckli XLs. The conditions were hard and crusty with little fresh snow in pockets among some of the trees and in some mogul wells. My Stöcklis handled the conditions well, but were a little slow in areas like Chartreuse with cut up moguls and some rocks peaking out here and there.

After lunch I figured that I would give the 1010s a spin so I could try them in harder conditions than I bought them for plus I had seen the ski patrol doing work on the Castle and hoped that maybe they would be opening it up.

The Elan's were a better ski for these conditions than expected. I first ran them down a couple of blues without poles to see how well they would turn on the hardpack. They made fairly effortless medium to long radius turns. They tracked on their edges well, but I didn't feel like I could let them run full out since they seemed just about to lose their edge though they never did.

I then took the skis through the trees next to No. 9 Express off Supreme. The moguls were hard with pockets of fresher snow no more than 3-4" in depth on top. They made short work of that pitch turning quickly and where I wanted them to in the bumps. Then onto the very hardpacked trail leading down below Challenger. Again, they held on the hard stuff, but I dialed the speed back as it always seemed like the edges were going to give at any second though they never did. I think this was more a comment on my limitations as a skier than on the ski itself.

I then snuck off through the gates into the Elephant's Nose to see how they would handle there where the snow was a little deeper, the chute smaller, the bumps larger and the snow more cut up. They handled it like a champ though at the bottom when the slope became more shallow and the snow more variable, I did have a little more difficulty getting the skis to track exactly where I wanted them to until I took a more forward stance and drove the skis.

By this time I had seen some skiers in the Castle so I headed that way to climb a little for some fresher snow. The Elan's were not noticeably heavier or harder to climb with than my other skis. The extra width did take a little getting used to when sidestepping up along the traverses. The Castle had probably been open for an hour by the time I made it there so there were tracks across the only portion that had been opened, but there was still powder to be found, but only 6 or so inches. The 1010s rode through the snow like I was riding on a groomer. They made short or medium radius turns with minimal input. I didn't have to think about whether the snow was cut up or fresh, they just ate it up. Coming down a very steep mogul patch where the Castle run out meets Cecret Saddle, they turned as quickly as any other ski I've been on. These bumps were no problem with this ski. By now I was more confident on the groomers as I headed back to Sugarloaf so I could hold more speed even when the snow was hard. 


My final test was to take the skis on Chartreuse. First down the bumps on the side of Sugar Bowl (sweet ski) and then down the groomer, Little Dipper, before heading into Chartreuse. Again, the skis made easy sweet short turns using the tails of the skis to bounce them around. No problem running as fast as I wanted (though they still seemed about to lose an edge, but never did). Chartreuse was cut up with variable snow. No problems turning where I wanted whether on top of the bumps or in the troughs. I took them on the ridgeline before dropping into the gully leading back to Extrovert under the lift. These skis are amazing.

These are a really fine ski and I like them very much. Unlike the Hazmats, this ski can handle the hard stuff almost as well as my Stöcklis and ate up whatever powder I could find. I really need to take them out on a powder day and see how well they do there and if they can best my Liberty's in the soft snow (I really want to try the Double Helix in comparison). So far I have to say that these are closer to a western one ski quiver than any other ski I've ever ridden. I'm really glad that I bought this ski and hope to ride them a lot this year, in the soft stuff, but especially in variable conditions.

post #2 of 17
Awesome review!

But the lords of Epic Ski have spoken. Fat ski's are just a fad.
post #3 of 17
Nice job.
Just another ski I want to own....
D1 
post #4 of 17
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Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post

Awesome review!

But the lords of Epic Ski have spoken. Fat ski's are just a fad.
 


who are these people and what are they smoking?
my new 2 ski quiver is my mx98 skinny, 1010 fat. maybe these "lords" are talking about skis over 125mm under foot?

1010 is a GREAT ski! nice review.

cheers,
holiday
post #5 of 17
 the best skier I have ever seen in person rides these in a 176cm. I ll get a chance to try them someday.
post #6 of 17
Thread Starter 
UPDATE: Got to ride the 1010s today in a foot+ of powder at Alta. Much of the snow was cut up though I did get to put in some first tracks in a couple of areas. I like these skis. Never had a problem with deflection of the tips though I was prepared for it. Pretty good flotation, but not up to the standards of the really wide reverse camber skis that many were riding today. I'll have to check some of those out, but these gave me all of the flotation I needed today, but there was enough of a 3D ride that I even got face shots. These skis let me turn very quickly when dropping into a chute or make large lazy turns when heading down a powder field. I do have to say that the skis seem most at home in making short to medium radius turns-- no problem to change the turn shape. I like these in the bumps. If you are really into large radius turns then check out a pair of DP Pros, but the 1010s are more skier and terrain friendly than those beasts. I really like this ski. Tomorrow is supposed to be an even bigger day with even more snow expected by Sunday. Can't wait to see how these skis do when the snow is up to my waist 
post #7 of 17
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post

 the best skier I have ever seen in person rides these in a 176cm. I ll get a chance to try them someday.


How tall, heavy a person, BPA?
I've been thinking i'd love the 176 except the deeper days where hte 183 is better...

cheers,
holiday
post #8 of 17
 5'10 160lb 

EC coast woods(not glades)

IN all honestly I am kickin myself for my utah sized quiver here grrr 190 + doesnt fly some days. 
post #9 of 17
Does the 1010 have enough rocker or early rise tip l that would have any notable effect on its powder performance, tip-divablity?  Or is it just a case of "marketing rocker"? 

What about the tail?  How much rise we talking here?
post #10 of 17
 Hello

After demo-ing several ski's I bought a Elan 1010@176 for "big days" to go with my daily driver,Watea 94. Which I think is the best ski have ever owned. I am looking for some help with binding location . It seems like the factory suggests a some what forward mounting point ?? Compared to other ski's of the same size.  Any feed back would be great ! 

Thanks
post #11 of 17
Thread Starter 
 Monologuist: Just looked at my 1010s and it confirmed what I already knew, it's just marketing rocker. There is almost no tail rise as well. But the ski rides well in knee deep powder; it just doesn't have that surfy feel of a real rockered ski. The ski is more properly considered as a one which can be skied with the same technique whether there is a foot of fresh snow or none at all.

Jayskico--the best one to answer your question about the mounting point is Dawgcatching. He mounts his 1 cm behind the recommended mounting point for the 183s, but most mount on the line. I'm not sure for the 176s.
post #12 of 17

I tried these in a 183, they had me setup 1 cm forward, and the skis were hooky off piste. They were quick on the groomers, but still  too turny. I moved them back so I was on the line and they felt great. Fun ski, great in the trees, really light and nimble, really easy turning, but you can still charge on them. I could see mounting a cm back too, as it feels plenty quick and easy turning mounted on the line, at times it felt like it skied a bit short. Back a cm might be able to let them run a little more.

I was thinking a little more early rise could be nice in deep snow, skied great the way it is though, I think with the med. soft flex, it pretty much reverse cambers in deep snow anyway. The tail’s pretty flat, just a bit of upturn at the end, felt good to me though, easy to slide around in the trees, arced good on the groomers, nice  the way it is.

 
 
post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by monologuist View Post

Does the 1010 have enough rocker or early rise tip l that would have any notable effect on its powder performance, tip-divablity?  Or is it just a case of "marketing rocker"? 

What about the tail?  How much rise we talking here?


 

They float very, very well. I have never wanted for anything more (skiing them in up to 14" of 32 degree cascade cement) but I am only 150lbs.  Good skiers won't need a bigger tip unless you are talking huge snow amounts.  The "standard" tip and basically zero camber is what makes this such a kick-butt ski in so many conditions, not simply just deep snow.  If you need a pure deep snow ski, the Boomerang is that ski, but it isn't the versatile, rip any soft snow condition ski that the 1010 is.

The 2010 has more of a rockered tip.  I haven't skied it.

I will post some video (once it gets processed) of me skiing a steep (40-46 degrees), semi-soft windpacked line on both a 2010 Gotama and the 2010 Elan 1010.  The difference is striking; the Gotama is slipping and moving down as much as turning, and looks (as do I) super sketchy, while I am just cruising the same line on the 1010.  Which is why I like that ski so much: you can literally ski any type of snow on it, and see it perform well above average.  I have yet to see that level of versatility in any other wide ski, although the Katana was close. 
post #14 of 17
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The 2010 has more of a rockered tip.  I haven't skied it.

Check: What other differencies did you find? Stiffer,how much rocker,is sidecut the same etc?

Seems that nobody (europe) practically has the 09-10 ski anymore,but there would be possibility to get the
10-11 sticks. Just thinking if they have dumbed down the ski and made it softer or something.
Info would be appreciated!


And: If someone has a pair for a decent price,I could snatch the skis.. 
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by Meathelmet View Post



Check: What other differencies did you find? Stiffer,how much rocker,is sidecut the same etc?

Seems that nobody (europe) practically has the 09-10 ski anymore,but there would be possibility to get the
10-11 sticks. Just thinking if they have dumbed down the ski and made it softer or something.
Info would be appreciated!


And: If someone has a pair for a decent price,I could snatch the skis.. 
 
The 2011 isn't changed much at all. More of an early rise tip, but the flex is about the same, maybe a touch stiffer, but impossible to tell without a back-to-back demo. I skied it against about 5 or 6 other skis in the same width range (all well known on this board) today (tried both 176 and 183) and it was easily my favorite for a wider, all-mountain board that is super versatile and still strong at speed in bigger turns.  It is no secret I really like this ski, but several people at the demo were raving about it as well. The new Apex (the updated 888) was also a winner; more versatile, friendlier flex, very stable, but much improved in moderate bumps.  It was arguably my favorite ski out of the 19 I tried.  
post #16 of 17
 Cheers Dawg!
I Now have a slightly used pair of 09-10s secured.
Waiting for confirmation if I can not get hold of the 10-11 sticks,if not, I will get the 09-10s.

Theese sticks seem to have that same kind of "bubbling under" vibe that the 777s had when they came out.
And knowing how Elan takes care of their marketing...they will stay the same way allso...
Pity how a company that produces extremely good sticks dont want that people to buy them...
post #17 of 17

I was lucky enough to pick up a pair of the 1010's from dawg in a 183, scott,kevin and shane were very patient and very helpful with all my questions and i really appreciated it.

About the ski,s  I 'm 6'1 170lbs (skinny) 47 years old and a good skier my other ski's are 175 rossi cs70 and they are awsome on hard snow and steeps.I can't really compare the 1010,s to any other ski; I never demoed any fat ski,s to compare the 1010,s to but after going to mammoth for a few day,s this past weekend I skiied powder,cut up powder,groomers,steep mogul,s on chair 22, smallish moguls on 3&5 and for the first time had an absolute blast in the tree,s.On monday the sun was out and in the afternoon got them in some pretty hard packed condition's and they never made me feel uncomfortable.
After reading the review's in epic saying the ski seemed turny I thought that this was the fat ski for me.I like to make old school slalom turn's with alot of action on the down hill ski  and the ski never let me down;this was in the hard pack condition's.I'n the soft snow condition's......I'm still smilling as i'm sitting here at the computer , I't was like cheating
I'm sure this is the same with anybody that get's on these type of fat ski's for the first time, but I coudn't get over how well they performed in the harder snow.Thanx again dawg, coudn't be happier!!!!

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