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2010 Head iSL worldcup skis

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
I demoed these skis the other days. THEY ARE FERRARI"S!!!! I was cranking out extreme G pulling turns that would force your eyeballs behind your ears while giggling like a little schoolgirl. These skis carved so hard and pure into the side of the mountain I would not have been surprised to see the top of it get lopped off like a knife slicing through the top of an apple.
These skis will change your life! I bought a pair that night and then had 6 gorgeous beautiful women come up to me and ask me to marry them. But, seriously these skis absolutely rock. Lay them on edge and hold on. If you have the ability and opportunity to try them out DO IT!
I ski in the northeast, so basically hardpack, boilerplate, blue ice and icy manmade snow. I could not shake these skis loose no matter what I ripped across. I laughed at ice and toyed with the hardpack. The amount of energy and rebound that built up in every turn shot me out so fast and hard I became virtually weightless in every transition into my next turn. Fast, fast, and faster with every deep powerfull cranking turn you do until you become a virtual blur screaming down your own ice cannon barrell sweeping granules of snow behind you until they become sucked into your vortex of death speed hurtling down the mountain.
Cops will bust you for skkiing to fast and sound barriers will explode in your head as you create such dynamic energy in every carving turn that you will be left gasping for breath and leave you craving for more.
post #2 of 21
Seriously,  I have some questions?   On paper I have been intrigued by these. 

Did you ski the iSL or the iSL RD?

What length did you ski?

How much do you weigh?

What level skier are you?  (Me: level 8/9)

How do they behave in longer turns at speed?  (Magnum is good at high speed GS turns when on edge)

Have you skied other Head race type skis like the Supershape or Supershape Magnum?(I own the Magnum)

I live in the Northeast also and can not find a place to demo.  Where can you demo?

Thanks for your help.
post #3 of 21
Thread Starter 
I skied the RD, it was 155cm.

I am 5' 7" and I weigh 215lbs at a very low body fat due to me being a personal trainer for 15+ years.

I am a level 9 or 3+ (I started ski instructing this year.)

This is the only Head ski I have tried and I demoed them at Gunstock mountain in Gilford, NH.

I am not bragging but I am very strong and I have always enjoyed race type skis since I can really muscle them around and build up tremendous energy in every turn, and these skis just really spoke to me. I just kept smiling the whole day as I ripped it down anything I came across.

The one aspect I thoroughly enjoyed most about these skis is that I was actually able to make super smooth medium and long radius turns with them-absolutely hands down my most favorite ski I have ever been on.

Everyone needs to find what works best for them and these are just my opinions, but for me it works and it works really, really well!

Check 'em out man, they are a blast!
post #4 of 21
The GS will hold at a good 15 MPH faster than the SL
post #5 of 21
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Originally Posted by Fullthrottle View Post

I skied the RD, it was 155cm.

I am 5' 7" and I weigh 215lbs at a very low body fat due to me being a personal trainer for 15+ years.

I am a level 9 or 3+ (I started ski instructing this year.)

This is the only Head ski I have tried and I demoed them at Gunstock mountain in Gilford, NH.

I am not bragging but I am very strong and I have always enjoyed race type skis since I can really muscle them around and build up tremendous energy in every turn, and these skis just really spoke to me. I just kept smiling the whole day as I ripped it down anything I came across.

The one aspect I thoroughly enjoyed most about these skis is that I was actually able to make super smooth medium and long radius turns with them-absolutely hands down my most favorite ski I have ever been on.

Everyone needs to find what works best for them and these are just my opinions, but for me it works and it works really, really well!

Check 'em out man, they are a blast!
 

Did you buy the 155cm?   Seems short.
post #6 of 21
Thread Starter 
Yep, I got the 155's....I'm sure many people would say I should have gone for 160 or 165 but the 155's felt perfect to me. They put a smile on my face so I'm cool with it.

crgildart I'm trying out the gs version Tuesday-can't wait  :)
post #7 of 21
thanks
post #8 of 21
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Originally Posted by Dauntless View Post




Did you buy the 155cm?   Seems short.

I could be wrong (it's happened before), bit if I recall correctly, before the FIS instituted minimum lengths for men's slalom many of the top WC men slalom specialists were skiing 155's.
post #9 of 21
Thread Starter 
You are correct sir.

I know many racers close to 6 feet in height that race on 160's and you figure 1 inch = 2.54 cm it's not a huge difference.

As I have always told all my personal training clients and now I am saying the same thing to my ski students, 'you have to find what works best for you personally.'

There are certain guidelines that yes you should follow but ultimately it comes down to what works for you, and that's the best advice I can give anyone regarding buying skis.

I posted my results using these skis because in my opinion (lol) they are AWESOME. If it helps someone decide on trying/buying them, cool.

It's 6:14 am and I'm getting ready to spend the day on the mountain! WOOOOHOOOOOO! I hope all of you have as good a day as I am going to. :)
post #10 of 21
Dauntless

I am currently skiing Worldcup iSL 165cm (not RD) and have skied Magnum last two seasons.  Also have skied most other carving skis in Head line over past few years.

In my opinion Magnum is a more versatile ski with its extra width underfoot but still has a lot of snap due to its sandwich construction - very similar construction to the iSL.

The iSL seems to have a slightly different feel from its flex than the Supershape or the supershape magnum.  Took a while to get used to it this season as I felt kind of trapped in short turns at first compared to the Magnum.  Am now comfortable and ski longer turns as well which it is fine with as Full Throttle mentioned.

There is a slight difference in the topsheet between the iSL and the iSL RD.  The biggest difference is the Race Plate vs the Speed Plate.  The RD is reported to be a bit better by the racers but I have tried both and for some reson prefer the non RD - go figure.

Not dure where you are in North East but we are on East Coast of Canada and can get demos of most skis in this range.  Supershape 160, Magnum in 163 and 170, iSL is 165 only as well as a few others.  Not much in the RD for demos as these and the GS are typically shown to the race clubs the season before and then sold that Spring. (the 2010 sample race skis would have been sold last Srping)

I am 220 6'2" and have been teaching high end skiers for over 20 years.  I like to ski anything but mostly steeps, moguls and less groomed conditions.  Unfortunately spend 90% of my time on corouroy, ice, groomed trails not nearly fun enough .... 

Any other questions please ask.

Yes I do work with the area Head rep and I run his demo fleet for him.

Mike
CSIA III CSCF I
post #11 of 21
I believe the shorter skis are preferred in SL because they are less cumbersome to step through flushes of several very tightly spaced gates.  Going with a shorter ski for SL racing has little to do with running speed or carving ability and hold.  It is mostly because the less ski you have to turn or sidestep, the more time you can spend going straight instead of turning around, through, or more appropriately OVER the gates. Little skis fit through tight spaces better. I could be wrong though, it happens a lot!
post #12 of 21
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

I believe the shorter skis are preferred in SL because they are less cumbersome to step through flushes of several very tightly spaced gates.  Going with a shorter ski for SL racing has little to do with running speed or carving ability and hold.  It is mostly because the less ski you have to turn or sidestep, the more time you can spend going straight instead of turning around, through, or more appropriately OVER the gates. Little skis fit through tight spaces better. I could be wrong though, it happens a lot!
 

I certainly understand a shorter ski is easier to turn.


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Originally Posted by mikehoyt View Post

Dauntless

I am currently skiing Worldcup iSL 165cm (not RD) and have skied Magnum last two seasons.  Also have skied most other carving skis in Head line over past few years.

In my opinion Magnum is a more versatile ski with its extra width underfoot but still has a lot of snap due to its sandwich construction - very similar construction to the iSL.

The iSL seems to have a slightly different feel from its flex than the Supershape or the supershape magnum.  Took a while to get used to it this season as I felt kind of trapped in short turns at first compared to the Magnum.  Am now comfortable and ski longer turns as well which it is fine with as Full Throttle mentioned.

There is a slight difference in the topsheet between the iSL and the iSL RD.  The biggest difference is the Race Plate vs the Speed Plate.  The RD is reported to be a bit better by the racers but I have tried both and for some reson prefer the non RD - go figure.

Not dure where you are in North East but we are on East Coast of Canada and can get demos of most skis in this range.  Supershape 160, Magnum in 163 and 170, iSL is 165 only as well as a few others.  Not much in the RD for demos as these and the GS are typically shown to the race clubs the season before and then sold that Spring. (the 2010 sample race skis would have been sold last Srping)

I am 220 6'2" and have been teaching high end skiers for over 20 years.  I like to ski anything but mostly steeps, moguls and less groomed conditions.  Unfortunately spend 90% of my time on corouroy, ice, groomed trails not nearly fun enough .... 

Any other questions please ask.

Yes I do work with the area Head rep and I run his demo fleet for him.

Mike
CSIA III CSCF I
Mike :

Thanks for your detailed response.

  It is also my second season on the Magnums.  I love the skis versatility, with the ability to carve and still ski bumps.  They even did well on the back bowls in Utah.  On a vacation to Utah last year I hit a stone exposed at the end of the day on a groomed run heading back to the lodge.  I had a deep gash in one base and dropped the skis off at the a ski shop at the resort to have the base filled in. (I had six days left to ski)  I left explicit directions that the skis were new, had a great tune and did not need any other work.  To make a long story endless, they tuned the skis and they now had noticeably less performance on hard snow/ice.

After returning home in the East I became frustrated with their performance and had them tuned again, with similar results.  This prompted me to consider the iSupershape and the iSL in order to obtain better hard snow grip.  Bob Peters (thank you Bob, I know you posted above) and Mac have been very helpful in answering many questions regarding these skis.  I just have not been able to find a demo on either ski.  We recently went to a demo at Hunter and the Head rep only had the Magnum.

I would still like to consider both if either would offer a hard snow grip advantage over the Magnum.  I was leaning towards the iSL at Bob's recommendation.   I assume the flex is more stiff.  My thought was to use them on our really hard snow/ ice days here in the East.

On the other hand Mac and Peter Keelty both love the iSupershape.  Your thoughts would be appreciated on both.

Back to the Magnums.  I again had them retuned by our own Philpug using his new machine (1 degree base, 3 degree side) and they behave like new.  I had them on some local icy runs this past weekend and they held well.  I will probably keep them.  In saying that, would considering the iSupershape or the iSL be redundant?

Thanks for your input.
post #13 of 21
1.) I live in MA, does anybody know where I could demo a pair of the Worldcup iSL? 

2.) I currently ski on Fischer Worldcup GS/SL RC4.  I have a have been switching back and fourth on them depending where/who I am skiing with.  I have had them for a couple of years since I got out of racing in HS and I am in the market for a new ski.  I am looking for something inbetween my GS and SL skiis.  I like to snap quick turns around, but I also like to let the ski run and lay down some big GS turns on the steeps.  Can anybody tell me if they have skiied the Worldcup iSL @ 165mm and if it was stable when going fast or does it always want to be turning?

Thanks.
-EC 
post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by EthanCarter View Post

1.) I live in MA, does anybody know where I could demo a pair of the Worldcup iSL? 

2.) I currently ski on Fischer Worldcup GS/SL RC4.  I have a have been switching back and fourth on them depending where/who I am skiing with.  I have had them for a couple of years since I got out of racing in HS and I am in the market for a new ski.  I am looking for something inbetween my GS and SL skiis.  I like to snap quick turns around, but I also like to let the ski run and lay down some big GS turns on the steeps.  Can anybody tell me if they have skiied the Worldcup iSL @ 165mm and if it was stable when going fast or does it always want to be turning?

Thanks.
-EC 


 
EC

I have been skiing the 165 cm Worldcup iSL current year ski and am now onnext years model of same ski (the one with the KERS technology).  The ski holds at speed and you can ski a longer turn if you wish and it still holds.

The 2010/11 version seems to be a bit stiffer and is receiving great reviews.

Mike
 
post #15 of 21
Sure you can ski a SL at GS or SG speeds and they will feel ok, but sooner or later they will bite you.  Go with a softer GS ski.
post #16 of 21
Getting new SS MAgnums Tuesday; is the 1 deg base 3 deg side the best tune for carving?
post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by Carving Lance View Post

Getting new SS MAgnums Tuesday; is the 1 deg base 3 deg side the best tune for carving?
No, but it's not a bad compromise.
post #18 of 21
I keep hearing mixed things about Head's race skis; how do these compare with offering from volkl, Blizzard and atomic? People seem to rave about the D2 Atomic SL skis.
Edited by narc - 2/24/10 at 4:06am
post #19 of 21
Watch the Olympics.  There seem to be a lot of them so somebody must like them ....
post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by mikehoyt View Post

Watch the Olympics.  There seem to be a lot of them so somebody must like them ....

I'm not sure how much resemblance those skis have with those available to consumers. Like tennis, I'm pretty sure top WC racers can get whatever ski they want. Certainly in tennis 'paint job' racquets are rife.


Edited by narc - 2/23/10 at 1:36pm
post #21 of 21
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I'm not sure how much resemblance those skis have with those available to consumers. Like tennis, I'm pretty sure top WC racers can get whatever ski they want. Certainly in tennis 'paint job' racquet's are rife.
 

That would be fact. Even more so with Head. While many feel that the production laminated race stock ski is a VERY good ski, and a demanding one, it's not the same ski that you see any of the WC men on. Nor are the women's the same. There are plenty of threads on ES that discuss Head's race program, race room, race techs, and factory. They have spent tremendous energy, money and time tweaking designs, experimenting and pressing skis for Bode, Cuche, and of course LV, Reisch and Pearson. In Bode's case, some would say that it's been overkill. Head's race operation is small in scale, and pretty low tech as contrasted with something like Fischer or Atomic. Yet it's worked; they are kicking butt. I have seen a number of Cuche's skis and Bode's....passed on to other national team athletes. They aren't the production skis. But then again, these guys aren't the average racers.

Same goes for any race ski. The Rossi's that Ligety and Zamamsky will be skiing on aren't the ones you'd buy at a Rossi race center, the Fischers that Tommy Ford will be on are different, etc. If you have the technique and strength to ski them, they make an enormous difference. You can't compete at that level without great skis.
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