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Good BC/XC setup? For the do it yourself, necessitorizor.

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
Well, I'm finally about ready to pull the trigger on some BC/XC gear, to ski in the woods around my house. It has been a very good year here for snow coverage.

Forgive me if I use the wrong terminology! Feel free to correct it!

Typically, the snow melts after 2-3 days, then snows again. So far, we've kept about 2ft+ of hard pack crusty snow, covered by about 8 inches+ of light fluffy powder, for over 3 weeks now. Its still snowing! Temps about 10 F.

I'm looking at some gear to cut tracks with, ski over the same tracks, over Mid-Atlantic terrain. Hardwood forest, with rolling hills, some brush, rocks, etc. This is generally the same terrain I ride my mountain bike over. (I'm working on a picture or 2, download isn't being cooperative)

I have demoed before, and will do so again, when they quite closing the roads over to Whitegrass!

I don't care about going fast. I like durability, I'm currently hovering at 200lbs. Some lateral stability, would be good if I would like to make a turn or 2. I would like a boot that I could also use if I were to get something wider like a Karhu 10th Mountain.

The gear I have selected.....


Does this stuff sound good? Suggestions?

I had liked the look of the new Fischer BCX 6 boot. But I can't find the new ones in my size (45).

I don't understand 3 pin setups. They seem to be used for anything from strict XC, to light tele. Should I go there?

post #2 of 10
Hey JZ,
Your chosen rig is a clone of mine, though at least ten years younger. I use mine the most of my gear because of convenience, the back yard access, lightness and versatility. The newer boots may be stiffer than mine, but there are clear limitations for turning. If thin fluff on a base, fine. Deeper, 'stiff' snows, very challenging and can get interesting, but still fun.

If you are looking for a 'rugged touring rig' like the 10th skis, a beefier boot and at least cable bindings would be my choice, but a beefier BC NNN boot with free pivot would be easier for touring. (FWIW, I'm considewring unloading my 193 Atomic Chugaches with cables.)
post #3 of 10
Thread Starter 
Thanks Alpinord,
You are always helpful! I do appreciate!

I will probably order some of this gear tonight. I will probably get more involved with a cable setup later. I've got this inner debate about whether to head into tele vs. randonne'.

I've also got to monitor my finances closely for now. Our power was out for 6 days! I'm investing in a larger back-up generator for our house. I was melting snow in my Great Grandparents copper apple-butter kettle for about 3 days for water to flush toilets, and filter some drinking water, ,just in case we ran out. (we have a well).

I would also like to head to Utah for some Alpine.

So many needs! : o )

Figured out how to download from my new Christmas camera.

January2010141.jpg picture by Johnnys_Zoo

My back yard. Taken this AM from my deck.

January2010113.jpg picture by Johnnys_Zoo

Taken about 2 weeks ago? There is a one lane, paved road between my fence and the National Park sign. There are roads to the left (gravel), and right (with gate, dirt) of the sign. These are feeder roads for a brazilian miles of old logging and mine trails. The trails have been deemed off limits, to anything but hiking, recently by the NPS. Would someone be out of line by saying "gotta catch me dirty Coppers!" : o )

January2010110.jpg picture by Johnnys_Zoo

My Silverado (probably another 6 inches or so under the tires)

January2010137.jpg picture by Johnnys_Zoo

I found out that they are closing my clinic today. So I'm going to break out my Karhu Team 100's (mounted alpine) and hike for some turns!
post #4 of 10
Originally Posted by Johnnys Zoo View Post

I don't understand 3 pin setups. They seem to be used for anything from strict XC, to light tele.


The quick way to tell which one they're good for is to look at how thick a boot sole they can accept.    

Anything limited to 15mm  or less is strict-XC (with the advantage of better balance and easier edge punch-in, but less glide than systems with pivot pins. )  Low-cut boots.   No cables.

15-19mm is the leather-boot pseudo-tele sizing.   Ankle-high boots.   Usually no cables.  

19mm+ - over the ankle beefy boots with plastic possible, cables.  Anything with cables and -no- pins falls into this category also.
post #5 of 10
Thread Starter 
Thanks Compex! That really simplify's things. I was furrowing my eyebrows for quite a while over that.

Well, I have pulled ze trigger. Gear should be here by the weekend.

Should be a great help in dropping 15 to get to my cycling fighting weight!
post #6 of 10

what did you end up getting for equipment?  I am kind of looking for something similiar.  I tried XC last year for somethingto do when I cant cycle and was hooked .I tired it at a XC center and we seemed to gravitate to the higher elevvations and the far reaches of the place. The onloy thing I didnt like was lack of control turning down steeper hills and not great floation in deeper snow.


I was thinking to start out with a Backcountry touring ski I could go out in national parks,single track,logging roads and occasionally groomed tracked centers.  so with this in mind I thought to learn more quickly I heard NNN would allow me to pick up kick and glide easier so for a happymedium id go NNN BC Magnum bindings and either an Alpina BC 1550 boot or a 2050 boot.


For skis om intrested in Alpina Discoverys ,Rossignol BC 65 or 70's  as they have metal edges with some sidecut to give me turning control on more difficult terrain.


Am I on the right track euipment wise/

post #7 of 10

I'm a come lately to this forum, but my 2 cents would be. See if you can find a source for used equipment. If you are not interested in going fast, I'd consider plastic tele boots and cable type bindings. I was skiing nnnbc set up on my Atomic Rainer's, but switched to a set of old Chile peppar bindings and scarpa tele boots last year. The equipment was given to me, thus no investment. I can handle anything in this set up. I'm a bit slower on the flats and that's the price to be paid. I can ski lift serve and will be headed to Utah to ski the canyons next week. One quick tip. Most of the plastic boot liners can be remolded after being heated in an oven. The boots given to me were about a size too small. I found instructions on remolding them on the web, and they are very comfortable now. You can find alot of used equipment both on the web and at swaps and some ski shops. I find that waxless skis wear out over time and to get up the steeps you either need skins or a bit of blue wax in the kick pattern. Hope this helps,Frogge.

post #8 of 10
Thread Starter 

Hey someone revived this thread. Well, I feel like I've come a long way already since the OP.


I did purchase the Rossi BC 70 (189cm), NNN-BC magnum, Rossi X9 set-up. I have probably done 60+ days and nights last season on them. I use a remington hunting headlamp (rated 150 lumens) and go out after work about 3-4-5 nights/week. I can do some tele turns on them if: The snow is showing my favor, low angle, soft, and no underlaying ankle biters. I would not recommend this though, unless you have tele super powers. I have done some pretty good crashes. I also frequently ski alone. So, I have quit trying to tele on this set up.


frogge is right on in my opinion. The wax less bases of my BC70's are already pretty trashed. But i ski over some pretty rough terrain. I cross logs, get wrapped up in grape vines, and these vasty thorny vines I call greenbrier. I spent a good portion of my Saturday evening brushing out the dirt and pulling small rock fragments out of the bases.


Whats next for me? Not sure.


I was at Whitegrass last weekend. I spent some time chasing tele skiers around, and eves dropping on the moring tele clinic there. I am quite impressed with what people can do on waxable skis with the blue wax. I chased a guy up the climb to Bald Knob. He was on Scarpa T2's, Black Diamond Kilowatts, and a a cable binding with 2 springs under the sole. He was using blue wax, no skins. I was doing the old herringbone on my BC 70's. We were keeping the same pace. He laughed and said "everyone thinks that you need waxless skis to do this." I was quite impressed, as I said.


post #9 of 10

Hey JZ, welcome back!  We missed you around herebeercheer.gif

post #10 of 10

Hi....bye JZ. biggrin.gif You just reminded to get out the door and on my BC rig for a little cruise instead of typing.

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