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New ski preparation routine?

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
Is there a preferred preparation routine for new skis before they touch the snow?  Any new ski will\should have a factory wax but from experience that will not last very long.
post #2 of 19
Waxing / Scraping / Brushing (WSB) Cycle
One method to insure that you get the maximum performance out of your new skis is the WSB Cycle. Not only will it make your skis perform and glide better; it will also protect, condition and stabilize the base material. Waxing is one place where some is good, more is better!
SL / GS: minimum 4 – 6 WSB cycles before on snow session (hot box optional)
SGS / DH: minimum 10 WSB cycles, plus hot box session before on-snow session. Ideally, speed skis should also be “snow cycled” then WSB’d a few more times before use to get the most “speed”.
have a look at this link for details
http://blogtopshelftuning.blogspot.com/2009/03/whats-wsb.html
post #3 of 19
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Originally Posted by blake View Post

Waxing / Scraping / Brushing (WSB) Cycle
One method to insure that you get the maximum performance out of your new skis is the WSB Cycle. Not only will it make your skis perform and glide better; it will also protect, condition and stabilize the base material. Waxing is one place where some is good, more is better!
SL / GS: minimum 4 – 6 WSB cycles before on snow session (hot box optional)
SGS / DH: minimum 10 WSB cycles, plus hot box session before on-snow session. Ideally, speed skis should also be “snow cycled” then WSB’d a few more times before use to get the most “speed”.
have a look at this link for details
http://blogtopshelftuning.blogspot.com/2009/03/whats-wsb.html

More as in more often, not more wax at each application. If it is dripping off the base much at all, it is too much wax.

Snow cycling as much as possible. Take your new speed skis or newly ground speed skis to the resort whenever you can and just take a run or two on them before or after or during your regular skiing. The more times the skis see the snow and wsb cycle the faster they will be.
post #4 of 19
Thread Starter 
Understood re the amount of wax.
My own skis have been waxed and hotboxed.  Snow cycling for these is not really an option for me, I wish it was!  Due to space constraints I wont be able to take the tuning gear on holiday.  The basic files maybe but not the waxing iron or vices. My skiing will be 1 week in Jan and maybe a few short visits to snow domes in the UK.
post #5 of 19
yes MORE as in often
post #6 of 19
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Is there a preferred preparation routine for new skis before they touch the snow?
It all depends on your goal.  For race skis, wax, brush, wax, brush, etc., etc., etc.

For rec skis, I'd just get them re-tuned and ordinary hot wax.  Ski.  The factory tune seems to be very variable.  Some factories put out great tune jobs.  Some new skis continue to cure and arrive to the skier already cupped.  Some factories put out terrible tunes.  Do not assume that the new ski tune is any good until it has been checked.
post #7 of 19
#1 Make sure the bases are flat from tip to tail, new skis cure out causing the bases to go high sometimes. If they are not flat, your tune will not get you what you seek.

#2 Check bevels and set them where you want them.

#3 Wax, wax, wax, wax...then you oughtta be very close to what the manufacturer intended.
post #8 of 19
I would add it's best to start the prep with a soft wax, then go to a med. wax, then go to a hard wax to finish.  Do at least 5 to 7 laps with each type.  (Or more!)  Like they said, wax, cool, scrape, and stiff bronze brush, then buff with a med. fiber pad each time.  (That's a lap.) USE ONLY Hydrocarbon waxes during your prep!  A wax with graphite, or molybdenum is also beneficial at this time.   This takes a lot of time, but will yield you the best wear protection, and glide.  Hot boxing is always super, but it's all that brushing that mellows the structure, and gets you to maximum glide.

Not all techs agree, but most racing skis are waxed, and brushed at least 50 times before they hit it!    Then after each ski day, they brush out the ski, hot scrape it a few times, then put on the wax of choice for the next day, let it cool over night, scrape, and brush in the morning.    Generally min. cooling times are around 3 hrs. for soft,  1.5hrs for med., and 45 min. for hard waxes.

You reap what you sow! 
post #9 of 19
The Swix wax manual tells how to do this.  $4 and worth every penny. 
post #10 of 19
Go to the Swix School website.

http://www.swixschool.com/web_tysk/index2.html

Go to the Alpine Racing section and watch the New Skis video's!
post #11 of 19

I just made my first visit to the "Swix School".   Watched all the videos.   I was not impressed.  Sorry.   Very basic.

And why is he hot scraping from tip to tail?   Most of the crap is built up in the tip to mid section.  (from skiing anyway)   I guess he was just removing grinding residue.  I always hot scrape from tail to tip.  But hey, what about the skis that are always going backwards?
OK folks, you need a sense of humor!

Also he was using diamond stones with no guide. 

Did you see how much cold powder he used!  OMG!  

Anyway I really expected more from Swix!   But I guess they don't want to give it all away online for free!   Better than nothing I guess.
I do a lot of guessing.  Ah, but that $4.00 manual is probably worth it's weight in gold!   For 4 bucks you can't go wrong!

 

If your near Mt. Bachelor, here is another way you can't go wrong!   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGZZ-NHBmQg


Edited by Jacques - 10/28/10 at 7:27pm
post #12 of 19

Here is a full lesson on new ski preparation.

post #13 of 19

Ask 20 people and you will get at least 30 answers.  That is OK because it is mostly good advice.  Just remember that a lot of skis are purchased with bottoms that are not flat, and having a relatively flat base is a good place to start.

post #14 of 19

Here is new ski prep advice with a video from World Cup super tech Willi Wiltz

 

http://www.racewax.com/category/tuning-tips.new-ski-snowboard-care/

post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by Jacques View Post

Here is a full lesson on new ski preparation.

 

Jacques, I like your videos, but would point out it's easier to run through the series of 8 videos if you do it on youtube, instead of using the embedded player, which does not auto-play the next video in the series. Anyone interested, try this link...

 

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNqXz9jTNg8&list=SPADABC267A2F54961&feature=plcp

 

Note there is also a control down below the video window.where you can move previous-next through the set of 1/8 videos. User friendly!  icon14.gif

 

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Originally Posted by Doctor D View Post

Here is new ski prep advice with a video from World Cup super tech Willi Wiltz

 

http://www.racewax.com/category/tuning-tips.new-ski-snowboard-care/

 

I would be very interested in learning from Willi, but sadly that video itself is not very helpful. "First I check the consistency of the edge" ... with a straight edge, and my seasoned professional eye ... and I don't tell you what to do if I find an inconsistency, I just move on to hot scraping. ... Hmm.

 

It appears there are many ToKo videos featuring Willi...

 

  http://www.youtube.com/user/TokoUSVideos/videos?view=0

 

...but I don't know if everything needed from start to finish is there, and they're not set up in a sequence.

 

If someone's going to the trouble to create and post all those videos, why not at a minimum make it more user friendly with a clip naming convention that at-a-glance tells you there's a set to watch in a certain order. Put the part number at the beginning of each clip name, e.g. "Part 01 Ski Tuning & Prep - Initial Assessment", "Part 02 Ski Tuning & Prep - Base Edge Beveling", etc. That way it will show up in the related clip list on the side of the page. Even better, do that and set them up to auto-play like Jacques did with his.

 

FWIW.

post #16 of 19

One of the best ski tuning videos is on the www.sun valley ski tools site. Click on Tech Tips

where you will find 4 diagrams on base prep. Click on each one & enjoy really excellent

instruction. Clear,simple & easy to follow.

post #17 of 19

can we just trust those "new skis prep" offered by local ski shops?

post #18 of 19
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Originally Posted by mfa81 View Post

can we just trust those "new skis prep" offered by local ski shops?

 



depends entirely on the shop

post #19 of 19
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Originally Posted by mrski00 View Post

One of the best ski tuning videos is on the www.sun valley ski tools site. Click on Tech Tips

where you will find 4 diagrams on base prep. Click on each one & enjoy really excellent

instruction. Clear,simple & easy to follow.

 

Your link was a bit off. Here's what I think you were trying to get people to...

 

  SVST's Tech Tips

 

Unfortunately I'm having some trouble playing the Quicktime clips available there.

 

Edit: Had trouble playing embedded clips using Firefox - Quicktime plugin crashed. Seems to work fine in Internet Explorer, though.

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