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So what do you do when they're stopped in the unloading area?

post #1 of 28
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I was reading the latest Collision thread, and it reminded me of another common issue, boarders stopped at the top of the lift. This reads like more boarder bashing, but skiers are not usually the ones sitting on their collective butts up there -- we usually move away from the lift if boots need adjusting.

I'm at Kirkwood on Thursday, getting off Cornice Express. I hang a right towards Sentinel and Palisades, and Bam! straight into 6-7 young'uns spanning the width of the unloading zone. Luckily there was a two-foot gap between them, so I slipped through, but not without a little psshhht! spray on one kid, accompanied by a quick word, and off I go.

What do you do? Is there some, for lack of a better word, etiquette for us to fall back on?
post #2 of 28
whitewash 'em
post #3 of 28
You know, as many times as boarders have obstructed me, and the general flow of things in general, I have not sprayed them, even when they compell me to ski within inches of their inconsiderate asses. I guess I know better....62 years old, 5'2" tall. could someone take care of them on my behalf?  From what I have read recently, Utah P.P. could handle it!
post #4 of 28
Just avoid them.  We're all "such GOOD skiers" here after all.  It ain't that hard.  This topic is Epic for sure.
post #5 of 28
I just say coming through and suggest that they are in a bad place. Although just as often I just take the space I need. Too often I've been misunderstood when I say something thus either spooking or irritating the individual. Seems that being told that they are not in compliance with the skier's/rider's safety code doesn't appeal to them.

The only time a dusted a rider was when I was skiing a nearly empty black diamond trail at a reasonable speed. I saw two boarders sitting on a roller in the middle of the trail taking about 5 m space, so I went around and below them only to find their buddy, lying on his belly, below the roller having a conversation with the other two; he was completely invisible from above. I had to tighten my turn to miss him, thus covering him. I shouted back that he was in a bad place. No shouts received back, maybe he realized he actually was in a bad place.
post #6 of 28
This is funny because my older son boards and my younger son still skis. At the top of every ride up my older son gets an ear full from both of us regarding the delays he is causing us. He hears it on the flat stretches toward the bottom of some mountains also. It is all in fun. He knows to buckle in on the side or uphill a little from the loading zone and hopefully he does that when I am not around. I have made it quite clear how irritating it is when the whole trail is blocked by boarders and think he respects that. Parents and ski instructors need to make it a real clear point to be out of the way at very young ages. Even though it is hard to determine which 4 year olds will turn into inconsiderate punks hopefully moving out of the way will stick no matter how they turn out.
post #7 of 28
Darwinism should take care of those.

People know enough not to stand in the middle of a 4 lane highway, but cats and dogs don't. So we have many dead dogs and cats struck by cars.

Boarders sitting at unloading area or below rollers will have people spraying snow on them unintentionally, and occasionally being run into by even less skilled boarders unable to negociate the gaunlet. They'll eventually learn.

What annoys me even more than boarders sitting at unloading area is large group of skiers STANDING at unloading area blocking the way. There's no reason whatsoever they need to stand there. If they want to wait for their buddy, the least they should do is stand to the side.
post #8 of 28
This probably does not happen often.  One has to go skier’s left after the short right turn to Sentinel and Palisades. There are much fewer boarders going that direction because of the flat traverse required (this is also the very reason skiers don’t want to be blocked in order to maintain speed). Boarders usually sit on top of the slope and it should not block you going toward that direction. If they block you then they are either inexperienced or just not very smart because they will need to move a short distance on the flat strapped-in before they can go down hill.

Chair 10 is even worse becase there won't be a place to sit down based on the sign posted.
post #9 of 28
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Originally Posted by hellside View Post

This probably does not happen often.  One has to go skier’s left after the short right turn to Sentinel and Palisades. There are much fewer boarders going that direction because of the flat traverse required (this is also the very reason skiers don’t want to be blocked in order to maintain speed). Boarders usually sit on top of the slope and it should not block you going toward that direction. If they block you then they are either inexperienced or just not very smart because they will need to move a short distance on the flat strapped-in before they can go down hill.

Chair 10 is even worse becase there won't be a place to sit down based on the sign posted.
 

It was definitely an atypical place for them to be, given what you pointed out -- which is why I was there. Only some of them actually strapped in.

These guys went off towards Sentinel, and hit the traverse. You can imagine that those who were strapped in had to stop, get back out, and walk, while their buddies just managed to get to the other side with a few kicks. I saw 2 of them, along with their skier friend, shredding over by the cave and down through the trees.

I digress.
It sounds like a quick word and some assertiveness is all that is necessary. Spraying them might have been a bit petty.
post #10 of 28
Yell in a very loud voice:  WATCH YOUR HANDS  and ski on through.
post #11 of 28
What do I do when 50 percent of my snowriding community is getting ready to enjoy a run? I ski around them.
post #12 of 28
If they are completely blocking access I will stop and ask them to open a way through, otherwise I will simply pass by. One of my children decided to snow board. She has been very thoughtful of others and staying out of the way. She was treated very badly, getting sprayed several times this week at a resort that just started letting boarders on the lift. It doesn't help to be rude. Kindly point out their error and hope they learn. Most of them have no idea that they are causing a problem.
post #13 of 28
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Originally Posted by axebiker View Post

Just avoid them.  We're all "such GOOD skiers" here after all.  It ain't that hard.  This topic is Epic for sure.

HA!  Sooooooo true...   :)
post #14 of 28
Karma witll take care of the problem. 

They will get old, and can gripe about the rude kids.
post #15 of 28
As a snowboarder there were MANY occasions where i pulled off to the side away from traffic to buckle in, and after taking care of my business look up to see a gaggle of clueless daypassers on ski's standing right in front of me. It's not a skier/snowboarder thing really. It's more of a snowrider/occasional snowrider thing if you really look at it.
post #16 of 28
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post

 It's not a skier/snowboarder thing really. It's more of a snowrider/occasional snowrider thing if you really look at it.

 

I agree; especially on lower lifts, you're apt to see just as many skiers standing around in the unloading area (in Bogner gear!). I ski all the time with my buddy the boarder, and he's irritated by the same thing. I'm sure there's a correlation with how someone learned to ski/ride. I'd bet that someone who took lessons is more aware of where they stop than someone who is friend-taught or flat out self-taught.

I was just wondering what some of you do. Is it Just Avoid 'Em (with our incredibly GOOD SKIING skills), or is it worth a friendly, helpful hint?

Yeah, this is teetering on the edge, the precipice, the cornice, of becoming an epic us v. them thread. I hope it doesn't devolve too far.
post #17 of 28
I made the exact same post at newschoolers.  I understand they have to sit down to adjust their bindings, but wtf is up with how inconsiderate they are?  They seem to always have to to make a line width wise!!  All I got was a bunch of 12 year olds saying "well that is because we are so FU**ing awesome!"
At least good thing you werent at the wood yesterday :(  Or was it Friday through yesterday (and I hear even today pretty much sucked)

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Originally Posted by Wave View Post

I was reading the latest Collision thread, and it reminded me of another common issue, boarders stopped at the top of the lift. This reads like more boarder bashing, but skiers are not usually the ones sitting on their collective butts up there -- we usually move away from the lift if boots need adjusting.

I'm at Kirkwood on Thursday, getting off Cornice Express. I hang a right towards Sentinel and Palisades, and Bam! straight into 6-7 young'uns spanning the width of the unloading zone. Luckily there was a two-foot gap between them, so I slipped through, but not without a little psshhht! spray on one kid, accompanied by a quick word, and off I go.

What do you do? Is there some, for lack of a better word, etiquette for us to fall back on?
 
post #18 of 28
But it seems like they go out of their fricking way to block the run width wise.  Maybe like a 2 foot slot on a 20 foot wide area for everyone to get through.  It is so annoying how they have to make a line blocking basically the whole run.  It is not like you ever see them in a line length wise, it is always width basically blocking the entire run.

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Originally Posted by axebiker View Post

Just avoid them.  We're all "such GOOD skiers" here after all.  It ain't that hard.  This topic is Epic for sure.
 
post #19 of 28
I was just thinking about starting a thread about this exact issue.  I was out skiing both days this weekend and was getting extremely pissed off by exactly this issue.  By mid-day Saturday I started whacking boarders on the back of the helmet with my pole as I went by, along with a loud "Get out of the way!".  Don't know if it worked, but it sure got their attention.
post #20 of 28
They need to bring back this guy at the top hut.  Want your board?? Go get it!


I guess we should just be glad that the boarders don't lie around all over the bottom messing with their bindings too..  Oh wait, they do that too
post #21 of 28
Thread Starter 
That liftie skis better in his shoes than anyone around him does on skis.
post #22 of 28
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Originally Posted by exracer View Post

I was just thinking about starting a thread about this exact issue.  I was out skiing both days this weekend and was getting extremely pissed off by exactly this issue.  By mid-day Saturday I started whacking boarders on the back of the helmet with my pole as I went by, along with a loud "Get out of the way!".  Don't know if it worked, but it sure got their attention.
So what happens when you get whacked back?
post #23 of 28
 I have never had a problem avoiding stationary individuals around the unloading areas of ski lifts or elsewhere.
post #24 of 28
Don't whack me on the helmet with your pole unless you want it shoved down your throat. Not everybody suffers assault gladly. Some of us tend to over react.

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Originally Posted by exracer View Post

I was just thinking about starting a thread about this exact issue.  I was out skiing both days this weekend and was getting extremely pissed off by exactly this issue.  By mid-day Saturday I started whacking boarders on the back of the helmet with my pole as I went by, along with a loud "Get out of the way!".  Don't know if it worked, but it sure got their attention.
post #25 of 28
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Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post

So what happens when you get whacked back?

 

Boarders don't have poles. ;-)
post #26 of 28
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Originally Posted by at_nyc View Post




Boarders don't have poles. ;-)
That doesn't mean they can't hit back. Quite honestly if someone puts hands (or poles) on me. They would be getting worse back. I don't even know what kind of self righteous idiot would even contemplate hitting someone with their pole because they were sitting somewhere they didn't like. I'm sure that they wouldn't even contemplate something like that walking down the street. But get on a ski hill and the sense of entitlement that some people develop is unbelievable.
post #27 of 28
I often have to run a slalom between boarders at the top of the lift. Sometimes other skiers who have trouble negotiating the "gates" become "gates" themselves. It usually only becomes difficult when the "gates" are moving. If I'm riding up with a group of boarders, I always ride up on the outside seat, so it's easier to escape when they all pile up on exit from the chair.
post #28 of 28
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Originally Posted by Wave View Post

....another common issue, boarders stopped at the top of the lift.

What do you do? Is there some, for lack of a better word, etiquette for us to fall back on?
 

Here's a radical idea: ski around or between them without seeking retribution.  If not enough space to do that, say: "Excuse me, may I get through?  Thanks." 
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