EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › General Skiing Discussion › How many times has someone collided with you on the hill?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

How many times has someone collided with you on the hill? - Page 4

post #91 of 111
Quote:
Originally Posted by davluri View Post

Hate to rag on boarders, but they do something when they are in a fast sliding fall. The try to hold the board up above the snow so they don't catch an edge. The board is then between knee and thigh high. A friend of mind was hit in the knee by an elevated board (edge) and took a long row of stitches to sew it back up.

What are you talking about? Snowboarders levitate?
I snowboarded for 6 years. You have 3 options-PTex flat against the snow, heel side edge and toe side edge. You can stop with a heelside hockey stop or a toe side hockey stop or by sitting flat on your ass like I did when two out of control groms called out for me "not to turn".  If you are wiping out, your board has a habit of getting over your ass in elevation, but it's certainly not a planned manuever. Snowboards are controllable only when you are on the edge and you scrub off excess speed by applying heelside or toeside pressure to the edge on the board
post #92 of 111
Quote:
Originally Posted by csavage View Post




What are you talking about? Snowboarders levitate?
I snowboarded for 6 years. You have 3 options-PTex flat against the snow, heel side edge and toe side edge. You can stop with a heelside hockey stop or a toe side hockey stop or by sitting flat on your ass like I did when two out of control groms called out for me "not to turn".  If you are wiping out, your board has a habit of getting over your ass in elevation, but it's certainly not a planned manuever. Snowboards are controllable only when you are on the edge and you scrub off excess speed by applying heelside or toeside pressure to the edge a on the board

 

yeah, boarders levitate. how'd you know. what was your very first clue?

He's already on his back, got that part?

boarder lying on his back and sliding feet first down the hill. He picks his board up so it doesn't catch and flip him. his board is then high enough to catch you anywhere between the knees and the face. just saying., be aware of that board if you're down the hill.
post #93 of 111
I used to do that with my skis back in the day.  Only I would line up the skis while on my back and get them along one side parallel to my direction of travel and get back up on them.  I've heard this technique is not recommended.  Still seems better to me than going off into the rocks/trees or over a cliff though.
post #94 of 111
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frederik View Post




I only have sight in one eye. I try to compensate my lack of peripheral vision by sound, which has 2 downsides: a) I cant ski with music (no biggy). b) the ones that hit you when it hurts are those that go straight and make little sound :(

My biggest crash was one I caused myself though. I was ~16y, last descend of the holiday and I wasn't really going that fast actually. Let's just say I didn't expect an ice patch at that spot and messed up. The woman I hit luckily was barely hurt, I on the other hand had a heavy concussion and had to get 5 stitches in my eyebrow (luckily on the side where I can't see) because a ski slammed in my face.
Ski patrol was there quickly and offered to get me down, but since it was only 300m till the bottom, I managed to convince them that I could do it -in my best French!-. On the bus to the doctor 2 girls fainted when they saw me, turns out my face and eye was full of blood. I simply didn't notice because I was still stunned from the crash.
 


A thought.
Since it seems possible to injure parts of your head and face in a fall, with a released ski, or in any number of ways, would it make sense to wear a ski helmet with protection for your face, like a slalom helmet or a full face helmet. With site in one eye, an injury to you could be more serious than to a person with 2 functional eyes.
post #95 of 111
 Boarders tend to be more reckless and selfish.  No, not all of them for sure, but there's an anger and a hostility to a lot of boarders.

I see it with skateboarders.  I sound old and like a nerd, but I really don't like skateboarders.  They have a hostility and arrogance about them.  They don't care about traffic, about pedestrians.  They're going to seize the space.  Their whole aura is one of hostility, anger and chip on the shoulder arrogance.   They flip their boards in anger and take over space with arrogance.  They skate over rails with hostility. (In my neighborhood anyway.)

When you see them skating, watch their body language.  It's all about anger.  

And I think snowboarders tend to have that as well.  Not all, for sure, but I see an arrogance, a hostility and recklessness in boarders that I don't see in skiers. 

I wish that ski resorts would designate one green, one black and one blue trail on the mountain that no boarders could use.  
post #96 of 111
Sometimes both skiers, who are about to converge, are approaching each other after a turn that brought them apart. They both decide to be polite and turn up the hill to slow or stop and let the other person continue their line. They are both turning about as hard as they can and can't vary their direction. So they colide, while trying to yield. Sailors and pilots have protocol to take care of this. Perhaps we should, like always defer to the right, or something.   but do we really have to wear and green and red light?
Edited by davluri - 1/10/10 at 8:00pm
post #97 of 111
funny, I'm guessing you see skateboarders in New York. I see them in San Francisco. There, they are real mellow, their body language is completely relaxed and passive. Their style is a casual and understated confidence.

Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCJIM View Post

 Boarders tend to be more reckless and selfish.  No, not all of them for sure, but there's an anger and a hostility to a lot of boarders.

I see it with skateboarders.  I sound old and like a nerd, but I really don't like skateboarders.  They have a hostility and arrogance about them.  They don't care about traffic, about pedestrians.  They're going to seize the space.  Their whole aura is one of hostility, anger and chip on the shoulder arrogance.   They flip their boards in anger and take over space with arrogance.  They skate over rails with hostility. (In my neighborhood anyway.)

When you see them skating, watch their body language.  It's all about anger.  

And I think snowboarders tend to have that as well.  Not all, for sure, but I see an arrogance, a hostility and recklessness in boarders that I don't see in skiers. 

I wish that ski resorts would designate one green, one black and one blue trail on the mountain that no boarders could use.  


 


I was thinking about skateboarders once. It was wierd. There was a vacant motel. Crappy ugly building. Abandoned. Deteriorating. White and powder blue trim. So I'm walking by and notice one sign. Just one. No Skateboarding! It was so mean, as in petty and selfish.

Then it occurred to me that this sign was mass produced. Professionally printed. Skateboarders must see it everywhere. It must piss THEM off, make them feel like wronged outlaws. And they are our kids.

We should go the opposite way and make parks with skateboard features. many exist. better idea.

I'm not ready to cut snowboarders any slack yet. they still piss ME off, and I can see no sociological rationalization for their behavior..
Edited by davluri - 1/10/10 at 7:59pm
post #98 of 111

I've been hit by another snowboarder, and broke his nose.  He was not wearing a helmet, and I was.  He came off a lip into the run doing a 360 and slammed into me.  It was obviously his fault, and I think he recognized it...

2 interdependent issues

1. The person.  The basic law of 80/20 applies here regardless of your choice of gear.

2. The gear.  I'm sure it's been stated, but snowboards are more difficult to control on icy groomers with the limited edging and stance.

As a snowboarder, when I see other snowboarders out of control on icy groomers, I tend to think it is a product of these 2 variables. 

Someone else stated these, and it's worth repeating:

1. Most collision accidents happen on groomers, and it's a good idea to stay off of groomers if you're able to.

2. Stay alert, give space.

3. Ski defensively in traffic.

 

4. Have fun

post #99 of 111
Quote:
Originally Posted by VoiceOfTheSnowboarder View Post

I've been hit by another snowboarder, and broke his nose.  He was not wearing a helmet, and I was.  He came off a lip into the run doing a 360 and slammed into me.  It was obviously his fault, and I think he recognized it...

2 interdependent issues

1. The person.  The basic law of 80/20 applies here regardless of your choice of gear.

2. The gear.  I'm sure it's been stated, but snowboards are more difficult to control on icy groomers with the limited edging and stance.

As a snowboarder, when I see other snowboarders out of control on icy groomers, I tend to think it is a product of these 2 variables. 

Someone else stated these, and it's worth repeating:

1. Most collision accidents happen on groomers, and it's a good idea to stay off of groomers if you're able to.

2. Stay alert, give space.

3. Ski defensively in traffic.

 

4. Have fun



Very well stated.   There is a difference.   But please don't dull your edges!   Better to clean them up on a weekly basis, depending how often you ride.

On another note, I came upon a boarder down hard yesterday.   I grabbed his hat, and goggles which were above him.  The slope was crowded.  As I gave him back his stuff, and asked if he was OK, a lady skier said to him, "You were going way too fast there!".   I did not see the fall, but I assume he was trying to avoid hitting someone.  The thing that got me, was he did not even say thank you to me.  When I asked him what day it was, and his name, he got defensive.  I told him I was asking because he was looking dazed. 
I think people are people, be they on a board, or skis, but I can't remember a skier ever not saying thank you to me after doing that sort of thing countless times for many.
post #100 of 111
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacques View Post





Very well stated.   There is a difference.   But please don't dull your edges!   Better to clean them up on a weekly basis, depending how often you ride.

On another note, I came upon a boarder down hard yesterday.   I grabbed his hat, and goggles which were above him.  The slope was crowded.  As I gave him back his stuff, and asked if he was OK, a lady skier said to him, "You were going way too fast there!".   I did not see the fall, but I assume he was trying to avoid hitting someone.  The thing that got me, was he did not even say thank you to me.  When I asked him what day it was, and his name, he got defensive.  I told him I was asking because he was looking dazed. 
I think people are people, be they on a board, or skis, but I can't remember a skier ever not saying thank you to me after doing that sort of thing countless times for many.

I love gettin things for people when they fall.  Then go jump off something ridiculous so they have something to look forward to.  Next time just hand him back one thing first, then if he's a dick, just toss the other...uphill.
post #101 of 111
On my last ski trip, my two buddies on snowboards had both been run over by skiers, one the previous day, and one earlier in the morning. They were giving me crap, jokingly, at lunch about how snowboarders get all the bad rep, but it's really the skiers that are dangerous. The very first run after lunch I get absolutely smoked by a snowboarder from behind while slowing down in a slow zone. All I heard was "oh sh*..." I think he was looking behind to see where his friends were since a group of them came down shortly after him. I ended up with no permanent injuries, just dazed and got the wind knocked out of me. His friends were nice enough to collect my stuff and ask if I was ok, but I never did get an apology before he rode off. 

Forgot to add, later that day a guy that was too drunk to stand fell by the lift line and knocked one of the heavy steel grate barriers over, slamming into my knee. Good times.
Edited by reshp1 - 1/11/10 at 4:35pm
post #102 of 111
you forgot the all important white light on the back!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by davluri View Post

Sometimes both skiers, who are about to converge, are approaching each other after a turn that brought them apart. They both decide to be polite and turn up the hill to slow or stop and let the other person continue their line. They are both turning about as hard as they can and can't vary their direction. So they colide, while trying to yield. Sailors and pilots have protocol to take care of this. Perhaps we should, like always defer to the right, or something.   but do we really have to wear and green and red light?
post #103 of 111
Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Boot View Post

you forgot the all important white light on the back!!!

 



 


otherwise how would you know if I was comin' or goin'!       comin'<  >goin'
post #104 of 111
Quote:
Originally Posted by guroo270 View Post




I love gettin things for people when they fall.  Then go jump off something ridiculous so they have something to look forward to.  Next time just hand him back one thing first, then if he's a dick, just toss the other...uphill.
 

Now you got me thinking.  Then if they are a big "D"............?   
post #105 of 111
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacques View Post




Now you got me thinking.  Then if they are a big "D"............?   
Toss them the first item from a ways uphill, then, if they are a BIG "D"....ski off to the side and toss it in the woods, then ski back towards them and spear them in the back with your ski as you go by.  Although, Oregonians don't do those sorts of things.  The guy should make it up to you by letting you hot box his car with him.  I've been away from that state for far too long.  As I'm sure you can tell.
post #106 of 111
Quote:
Originally Posted by reshp1 View Post

On my last ski trip, my two buddies on snowboards had both been run over by skiers, one the previous day, and one earlier in the morning. They were giving me crap, jokingly, at lunch about how snowboarders get all the bad rep, but it's really the skiers that are dangerous. The very first run after lunch I get absolutely smoked by a snowboarder from behind while slowing down in a slow zone. All I heard was "oh sh*..." I think he was looking behind to see where his friends were since a group of them came down shortly after him. I ended up with no permanent injuries, just dazed and got the wind knocked out of me. His friends were nice enough to collect my stuff and ask if I was ok, but I never did get an apology before he rode off. 

Forgot to add, later that day a guy that was too drunk to stand fell by the lift line and knocked one of the heavy steel grate barriers over, slamming into my knee. Good times.

 


Anybody on anything, sliding down a snow, or ice covered slope is going to be dangerous.  It's not one, or the other.  (Boarder or Skier) It's a level of maturity.  A respect for safety of all around you.  I see it all the time from both types of riders.  So please, don't dull your edges! :-)   A properly tuned snow board can stop, and turn very well!

As for getting the wind knocked out of you, that's got to be a hard impact.  If you didn't at least tell that person off, well, you are maybe too nice.  You did tell 'em off didn't you?  Be good!  
post #107 of 111
Here is collision waiting to 'happen'
Whistler week before christmas. The junction of Hwy 86 and Upper Franze's run. Busy 2:30 rush hour, dozens of skiers on Franzes' and tens merging from 86 off the last trip on Peak Chair. I was tired after a big day and pulled over, below and skier's left. Watching... this 30-40 year old woman in a ski suit stand in the middle of this 'merge' - I suspect she was trying to be visible to whomever she was waiting to bump into. 
I yelled at her ' Don't park there ! ' She looked at me. 'Don't park there!'                                                    " They should slow down, its a merge ".
I told her: ' YOU ARE TOO STUPID TO SKI HERE AND YOU'RE GOING TO DIE '.
 
post #108 of 111
Quote:
Originally Posted by guroo270 View Post



Toss them the first item from a ways uphill, then, if they are a BIG "D"....ski off to the side and toss it in the woods, then ski back towards them and spear them in the back with your ski as you go by.  Although, Oregonians don't do those sorts of things.  The guy should make it up to you by letting you hot box his car with him.  I've been away from that state for far too long.  As I'm sure you can tell.
 
Oregon is suffering in the snow dept this year, So you're not really missing anything here.
post #109 of 111
I've been skiing since I was five.  Forty Two Years.  I've managed to do enough stupid stuff on my own, but I've been hit twice.  Really hit, not just kids or an errant edge.

I was hit from the rear both times, in what was typical eastern ice with patches of turnable snow.  Both times at a particular area in NJ close to NYC with a reputation for spores.

Went down the first time, but no injury.  Second time flipped backwards with skis going opposite directions like Wile E. Coyote.  I didn't stretch as well tho.  ow.


Both times the skiers were oblivious.  I've had nicer conversations with folks who've just poled my ski in the lift line.     Worst hit I ever saw was a boarder who nailed a 6x6 holding up a deck on a slopeside condo.  It was a one car collision though.
post #110 of 111
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacques View Post





Anybody on anything, sliding down a snow, or ice covered slope is going to be dangerous.  It's not one, or the other.  (Boarder or Skier) It's a level of maturity.  A respect for safety of all around you.  I see it all the time from both types of riders.  So please, don't dull your edges! :-)   A properly tuned snow board can stop, and turn very well!

As for getting the wind knocked out of you, that's got to be a hard impact.  If you didn't at least tell that person off, well, you are maybe too nice.  You did tell 'em off didn't you?  Be good!  

Yep, agree. I've seen about an equal amount of accidents with skiers and snowboarders at fault. It was just funny that my boarder buddies were giving me a hard time right before it happened.

No I didn't tell the person off, I think he knew he messed up based on his body language, it looked like he was about to say sorry or something, but then he just got up and rode off. It wasn't worth chasing after him, and like I said, his friends were pretty cool about it so I wasn't really that mad.   
post #111 of 111

Ive been hit a grand total of twice, and almost nailed a boarder once.

This year i was cruising down to the base area of snowy range and heard a loud comedic wwwwooooooaaaaaaaaoooohh, behind me, then got hit by the sound, which was a boarder, i didnt fall over but damn near fell over laughing, he was fine i was fine no biggie. Last year i was again skiing down to the base area of snowy and got trapped in the middle of a bunch of hs racers going one way, i was going the other, i held my pole out to the side to warn then made a right turn, and was immediatley nailed by some girl. I flew a good five feet and i have no clue how far she went but she was about half my size moving at double the speed so quite a bit farther. we were both ok despite my pole looking like a carpenters square. In the middle of the season last year at snowy my brother and i were skiin down a easy blue thats got a nice roller on it, we waited for about five minutes at the top to make sure the run was clear since we like flyin down it, cruised down the run jumped of the roller and had one of those, Oh Sh#t moments, landed on the tail of a snowboarders board, we could see the jump from the top of the run and she must have been sitting there for at least five minutes, i immediatley turned around and rather frustrated asked her what she was doing there, i dont think shes going to sit at the base of rollers anymore.

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: General Skiing Discussion
EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › General Skiing Discussion › How many times has someone collided with you on the hill?