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post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
I first want to say I realize this may be posted in the wrong spot.

I clearly make better turns to the right. Headed left I have more counter/tip lead and tip the skis less. Suffice it to say I'm working on the problem. I wonder if one of my legs is longer than the other. How the heck is that measured? Perhaps I need Rolfed.

I strolled into a bootfitter a Copper today. I engaged the salesperson in a discussion and inquired about their "product". He wanted to start by making me a new footbed. He then said I should ski for some period of time and see how the footbeds "worked". He suggested I go out and ski in a straight line on flat terrain to ascertain whether I could stand on a flat ski.

I told the guy I was always trying to tip the ski in a "progression', and that my goal was to never park on a flat ski. Yes, I was being somewhat of a wiseass, however, my basic premise was true.

This leads me to my real question. I saw a whole group of folks lined up to determine how their knee lined up over their boots. I hope my knee is never "over" my boots for too long a period of time. We don't ski at right angles. Why adjust boot cuffs?

I realize I'm probably nuts and I hope you folks will quickly set me straight!

Well....at least my tib/fib.
post #2 of 10
They want both feet to be flat (on the same angle) so that they are at the same angle as you progressively roll them.
Also, think how difficult it would be to do pivot slips if you had one ski flat and one at a DIFFERENT angle. Or, even better, how easy it would be to do pivot slips if you are able to get both skis flat.
post #3 of 10
Rusty Guy, if the shop has a set of Cant Wands they can put you in them quick and tell a lot of things. They can tell if your foot beds are doing their job, they can tell if your legs are a different length, they can tell if your boot cuff is adjusted properly and they can determine cant needs. They cannot determine fore/aft alignment.
Find a shop that knows what they are doing.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ January 30, 2002 05:58 AM: Message edited 1 time, by Pierre eh! ]</font>
post #4 of 10

My wife has a wicked Q Angle (the angle that the femur comes out of the hip socket). When you get down to her lower legs, nothing is straight. After a number of years of frustrating skiing, even with good footbeds, we finally got a full-blown alignment done (when we finally got her in properly fitting boots). You see, she had never been able to get on an appropriate outside edge, and off her inside edge of her inside ski. It made turn entry a real nightmare, and carving almost impossible. The skis just felt (and looked) really skiddish under her. The bootfitter (a genius named Scott, who works at GMOL) fixed her boots. He moved the cuffs as far as they would go, and still had to add wedges to the sides of the upper cuffs. The change in my wife's skiing was instantaneous. Our teaching, over the past few years had worked - she knew what to do - she was just not physically able to do it until we got her boots fixed. You should have seen the look on her face when everything worked all of the sudden! Now, she likes skiing a whole lot more than she used to, which makes me a lot happier, too.
post #5 of 10
Thread Starter 
Pierre eh!,

Do I simply ask if they have "Cant Wands"? Do I assume if they have this device they know what to do with it?

I do suspect I have one leg longer than the other.
post #6 of 10
Rusty, they have boot wands at the boot place in Copper. I stopped in there to see about Ann's boots and I saw them. You will recognize them by two 24 inch rods sticking up from a swivel base for each foot.

Pierre can tell you how they would check for one shorter leg, I presume it to be difficult since people with that problem compensate by tilting their hips.

If you have a problem with making turns as good to one side as you do the other, it didn't show when I skied behind you, the turns all looked great. Did Bob shoot any video of you after I left as you had planned? maybe that will show it.

And lastly, are you sure it isn't just a perception in your own mind? Many, if not most skiers have a favorite side. If they have a choice they start the first turn to that side and when they pull over on a slope they prefer to pull over to make their last turn to that side.

Though it is the side they are most comfortable with doesn't mean the other side is lacking, it just means that the skier does not trust that side as much as the preferred one.

You are a great skier, so I wouldn't sweat it unless it bothers you enough to spend some money on it, and if it reassures you it may be worth it.

post #7 of 10
Thread Starter 

You're very kind. It was Bob B who pointed out that I turn differently to the right and left. I respect your opinion and appreciate what you have said.

I do have have problem with a little bit too much "counter" in hard turns. I think it is a chicken/egg situation that also involves a little too much tip lead. The end result is that my tipping progression ends and I then can only create angles with my rear end dropping inside the turn.

Bob felt it was more pronounced turning left, hence, I began to think about boot fitting which I have never really understood and am hence left in total ignorance!

I'll go to the boot fitter at Copper and take the cure. I really like my footbeds and they insist they must start from scratch. I have a great "Conformable" liner and am hesitant to make any changes.

Bob did shoot video and got a great shot of me falling in the bumps. I do enjoy a yard sale as much as anyone and love to laugh at my owm perils. I told him to post the crash montage!

I hope you are on the mend and that your lovely wife has found a pair of boots to her liking.

P.S. Ott is married to a Babe!
post #8 of 10
Leave it to Bob to detect these subtleties, he is simply amazing. I remember you telling me that the boots you have now are going to be your last ones, you'll just get a new liner when needed.

I wish you could go down to Taos and let Gleason work on you, the kid in Copper was more interested in selling Ann new boots which he would grind for canting and frankly he didn't inspire a lot of confidence in me.

But that could just be me, the guy could be a boot fitting master, for all I know...

Looking forward to seeing the videos when Bob gets them done :

post #9 of 10
Thread Starter 
You summed up my feelings exactly. The guy did not do much for me. I will say the place was full!

I will send a P.M. and find out who you suggest in N.M.

I'm always looking for an excuse for a road trip.
post #10 of 10
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