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What do you ski on when you are not racing/practicing??

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
I spent the week skiing on my 165sl skis. It was a week of free skiing/practice. Long story short I went back to my 189 gs skis and I felt like I was trying to turn a bus. Any body use something in between when free skiing?? 
John 
post #2 of 23
I've been spending alot of time on my GS customs to get them set for the season. Normally I just ski on my GS skis or a pair of 175 Volkl Tigershark 12fts. I don't have much fun on my SL skis anymore. Too short for my liking. I'd say I spend a majority of my time on my race skis though. I plan on skiing solely on GS/SG/DH skis starting next week, with a main focus on SG/DH.
post #3 of 23
SG/DH skis for free skiing? I love skiing fast, but considering WC teams have problems getting real training courses for DH, I really doubt there would be much options for me to practice/ski SG/DH on my own. And skiing with DH skis on course open for public would be.... well... anyway.... I love GS skis, but even on those (27m radius) I have sometimes feeling, they are a bit too long for places with lot of people. And lot of people is not so uncommon... at least on our side of Atlantic.
post #4 of 23
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SG/DH skis for free skiing? I love skiing fast, but considering WC teams have problems getting real training courses for DH, I really doubt there would be much options for me to practice/ski SG/DH on my own. And skiing with DH skis on course open for public would be.... well... anyway.... I love GS skis, but even on those (27m radius) I have sometimes feeling, they are a bit too long for places with lot of people. And lot of people is not so uncommon... at least on our side of Atlantic.

Go to Okemo or Sunapee on a Tuesday or Wednesday... absolutely deserted for the first 3 or 4 hours.
post #5 of 23
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Go to Okemo or Sunapee on a Tuesday or Wednesday... absolutely deserted for the first 3 or 4 hours.

Sure, even on our side of the pond (by that, Primoz means yurp, right Primoz?) there are places/times/days when the runs are deserted. But that's when the few that can stay home from work or the week ends before Christmas break when people is vary and doubts that good snow is to be found or that the whole mountain will be open. All the remaining of us that can't afford to stay home or don't go in those few, precious days are so "restricted" to ski on "prime time" periods so...
What he really means, is that even with "off the shelf" GS skis, a pale imitation of the race skis, the reacheble speeds could
be too much for the overcrowded runs we ski on here. Just minor "glitch" requesting a sudden change of trajectory and 
all could end in a disasters. Others skiers aren't "mobile gates"...
I, like many others here in Italy, have a liking for GS skis, have skied on those for most of my adult lfe, all in the 198-205 range
But what made me move away from GS skis (last pair used was a P40F1 in 198) was, despite me liking that kind of skis, not feeling safe anymore while skiing on groomers because of the crowds. Last time I skied on those, a couple of policemen were eyeing me very attentively even if I was keeping to a run edge. When I stopped before a blind spot for a quick breath and to check what was laying ahead, the look I got from them...as if I were some sort of...
That, the fact I'm not getting any younger and the fact that I like to ski off-piste or better, side-piste, as much as I can, made me decide to buy a 178/78 all mountain ski. 
But the "temptation" is still there...Last year at a ski-swap I have bought a very used 186 Stoeckly Laser GS pair and plan to have it "restaurated", if possible, and try to ski with it. I'm not a racer, not even a rec-racer. But we Italians are very fond of GS skis...
post #6 of 23
Thread Starter 
I always free ski on GS skis Rossignol WC 189. I have found that as the day progresses the conditions get chewed up and crowds grow
a SL ski has now become my choice. Today at Bristol Mountain was really too busy to use a GS ski safely.  I would like to find an in between ski. Something beefy with a 16/17m radius??
John
post #7 of 23
I used to ski my old 208 SGs everywhere (radius about 60 m?).  About half a dozen years ago, I decided to bite the bullet and get a pair of modern 13-m radius SL skis, more turns per the skiing dollar and all that.  After a while I took out the old SGs for a "old times" sake, and I realized that while the SLs made great short turns, they really didn't compare at speed, and thought they ripped at speed, they didn't really arc smooth long radius turns.  Alas, the SGs were not a good choice either; you could only make a couple of good turns per run, and let's just not talk about moguls.  I got a pair of low-twenties-m radius skis - 190 cm Volant Machete Gs.  They were great in snow, but didn't have the ice-hold of the race skis. 

My current thinking is a very flexible gs ski, like the old Völkl P50 F1s would work well; they are flexible enough that they can easily bend into a SL shaped turn even at low speeds without needing to jump on the tips, but have a long enough radius to carve smooth long turns and not to get you in trouble when you ski faster.  As soon as I find a good deal on some Marker Comps I'll let you know.
post #8 of 23
Thread Starter 
Good to know I am not the only one looking for that "perfect" recreation ski.  I was thinking about the Atomic SX12. short turning radius and stiff enough to let run. It might be too race oriented, I just have a hard time getting away from race type skis. It seems like a lot of money to spend and you go slower :) it is against most of our nature on this forum.
John
post #9 of 23
Sl skis can just get too much like hard work so they usually stay in the truck if I'm not training. (Also having smashed up my shoulder last season when I found the speed limit on them probably a good idea.  Still like a (21m) GS ski if it is not too busy but absent that my Blizzard Titan 9s are my preferred option.  At 181 and ~18m with an 85 (?) waist you can ski them like a soft GS ski if you want or in any kind of terrain and snow.  Great option to my mind. 
post #10 of 23
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Originally Posted by Nobody View Post

Sure, even on our side of the pond (by that, Primoz means yurp, right Primoz?) there are places/times/days when the runs are deserted. But that's when the few that can stay home from work or the week ends before Christmas break when people is vary and doubts that good snow is to be found or that the whole mountain will be open. All the remaining of us that can't afford to stay home or don't go in those few, precious days are so "restricted" to ski on "prime time" periods so...
What he really means, is that even with "off the shelf" GS skis, a pale imitation of the race skis, the reacheble speeds could
be too much for the overcrowded runs we ski on here. Just minor "glitch" requesting a sudden change of trajectory and 
all could end in a disasters. Others skiers aren't "mobile gates"...
I, like many others here in Italy, have a liking for GS skis, have skied on those for most of my adult lfe, all in the 198-205 range
But what made me move away from GS skis (last pair used was a P40F1 in 198) was, despite me liking that kind of skis, not feeling safe anymore while skiing on groomers because of the crowds. Last time I skied on those, a couple of policemen were eyeing me very attentively even if I was keeping to a run edge. When I stopped before a blind spot for a quick breath and to check what was laying ahead, the look I got from them...as if I were some sort of...
That, the fact I'm not getting any younger and the fact that I like to ski off-piste or better, side-piste, as much as I can, made me decide to buy a 178/78 all mountain ski. 
But the "temptation" is still there...Last year at a ski-swap I have bought a very used 186 Stoeckly Laser GS pair and plan to have it "restaurated", if possible, and try to ski with it. I'm not a racer, not even a rec-racer. But we Italians are very fond of GS skis...
 

You have to realize the population to mountain ratio is FAR lower than it is over there. In my state alone we have 20 mountains to serve a million people, and that Sunapee and Okemo are not destination resorts for mid week skiing. Most out of staters that ski at NH mountains ski at more upscale and accessable resorts, ie Loon, Killington, etc. Last year I had the second half of my school day off and would go up to Sunapee a lot. When I say runs up there can be entirely deserted, they are, even with a handful of school groups skiing.

Temple67, I'd say give the Volkl Tigershark 12ft a try. They should be getting cheap nowadays seeing that they are two years old. Absolutely brilliant freeskiing ski. 17.6m radius at a 175cm length, a nice 78mm underfoot. Perfect for everything that I have encountered in the Northeast (aside from those BIG storm days).
post #11 of 23
 I prefer a cheater GS ski for an everyday ski

17m radius is pretty good for every day use when there are lots of people around on the run
post #12 of 23
I like my 2 - 3 year old Rossi B2s for free skiing the groomers, which is all we have right now. Not whining, just the bare naked truth. But it is snowing.

I've been having fun on a pair of The CLAW 185 18m radius skis that I got at a rummage sale this summer for $15.00. Great grip, pretty lively. When there is more soft snow, I'll be spending a lot of time on Atomic Powder Plus, 165s and 180s (when I get bindings with brakes that fit).

If I tele its a K2 Hippie Stinx 160 something twin tip. They rip.

Just spent the last three days coaching and training SG at Loveland plus will be doing the same tomorrow. Last week was 2 days of DH training at Ski Cooper.

Fast times at Rocky Mt. High. Can't wait for it to snow enough to open more terrain, though.
post #13 of 23
I often use my race skis  (Atomic GS D2 Cheaters or Atomic LT12 FIS) early in the morning when the slopes are groomed and uncrowded, but I usually switch to something more versatile as the day wears on so I can jump into moguls or even look stupid in the half pipe.The past few days I've been sorry my slaloms have been in the basement rather than in my locker-they would have been fun. Ya can't train all the time!
post #14 of 23
I ski on my 187 Blizzard Titan Argos quite a bit.  105 underfoot with a 29 meter radius and zero camber.  Surprisingly, they are pretty versatile...
post #15 of 23
I had a pair of 170 Atomic C11 (15 M radius) that were alllot of fun on the corduroy. Not to good if it got really hard, but I loved the radius. Not as much work and more stable than SL and while stable at speed I could ski them more safely in crowds.

I just found a pair of Atomic L 11 M in a 170. It's a womens cheater gs ski with a radius of 16 or 17. Haven't had them out yet but I think they will be a ton of fun on groomed and not to punishing in bumps and variable conditions,
post #16 of 23
167cm Rossignol 9X 2006.  Built like a FIS legal GS race ski but better sized for freeskiing.
post #17 of 23
 I Race/ Practice on
Atomic SL 12 - 156
Atomic GS 12 - 180

I just ski on

K2 Public Enemies - 164ish i think haha.

Im actually a fan of these twin tips, they are enough that I can lay out on them on groomers and put my ass in the snow, but when they see ice, same as any twins chatttttttttttttttttttttttter
post #18 of 23
Depends where and what time of day, but I prefer Volkl tigersharks 168s or 175s depending on the place..

thats when im on the frontside of course. I don't keep any other skis in my quiver besides tigersharks for the groomers.

What we ski on for the back of the mountain, I mean, that just varies completely =]
post #19 of 23
I spend almost all my time on my fischer SL's unless training or coaching GS.
post #20 of 23
I spend 90% of my time on a pair of Atomic race stock FIS SL12's (166cm).  I find they're a great ski until you get going too fast for them and have to let them float a bit through the turns.  Today, though, I took out my 27 meter FIS Atomic GS12's (191cm), and at speed I felt like a train on rails.  The problem though is that the turn radius is so long and speeds are so fast that it's unsafe to ski them unless there's nobody else around.  It's a totally impractical ski for any kind of non-race skiing.  Amazing ski, though.  You could easily run them for Super-G in the 191cm length.

I think for something in between, I'm probably going to dip into my old cache and pull out my old FIS Atomic GS11's (181cm, 21m radius), and they will be a lot more practical than what I was using today.  Anyone looking to buy a pair of last years 27m FIS GS12's with Race 1018 bindings and immaculate base condition and tune??? 
post #21 of 23
I always ski on last years SL skis.  Freeskiing on GS skis can be a pain
post #22 of 23
P50 F1 (gs) skis just replaced Fischer WC SC skis as 1st line ski for my solo-skiing daily driver.
Skiing with family and friends, I will probably still take the SCs.
post #23 of 23
Love the P50 F1's!!!
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