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post #31 of 38
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Actually, not, Bethany. The racers are trying to ski the fast line, and I am trying to ski the slow line. If I took the same line that the racers took, it would result in speed, while I am more interested in redcing speed when I so desire. Just out f curiousity, why do you think that their [the racers'] line is the one I should be taking?
post #32 of 38
You're completely right, of course, Oboe. But Bethany has a point too. The racer's line (and speed} may be more aggressive than you'd prefer, and they, of course, are skiing as fast a line as possible--as fast as possible. But one of the principles of setting a good course is to set the gates such that the racers' line will prevent dangerous speeds. Gates will be more offset (hence turns more complete) on the steeper pitches, similar to how the racer might "free ski" the run.

While racers may have a much bigger "comfort zone" than most skiers, and their intent and goals may be different than for recreational skiers, the principles of skiing "a slow enough line as fast as possible" still apply. Racers are clearly looking to control line, not speed, when they turn. Their speed must be well within their comfort zone if they are to make their best turns, otherwise they too will become defensive and "brakey." They must always try to go as fast as possible on whatever line they choose to take. For that to happen, they must always feel like they are going "too slowly."

Same as the rest of us!

Best regards,
Bob Barnes
post #33 of 38
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Well, Bob Barnes, that is about as terrific a response as I can imagine, and also, have you considered accepting appointment as Secretary of State?
post #34 of 38
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One final remark before I head out to Barnes & Noble to buy the Bob Barnes Book [as it shall be known here]: Finally, real snow at Smugglers Notch! And AT LAST I get to try the new skis [same as the old skis but shorter - new being K2 Mod 7/8 in 167, old being same in 174]. Between the shorter skis and skiing the slow line fast, when I can, I had an absolutely joyous experience and also learned to start my turns more gradually, thereby keeping them rounder, smoother, and better suited to "skiing the slow line fast". This discovery of the gradual start and even, round turn is a revelation. I hope to ski with you some day, but I will ski with your ideas EVERY day on the slopes. Thanks again.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ January 17, 2002 06:14 PM: Message edited 1 time, by oboe ]</font>
post #35 of 38
Hi Oboe--thanks! If I've been able to help you enjoy skiing more in any way, then I am very pleased and gratified!

My apologies, gang, but Barnes&Noble has no more copies of the book, either in their retail stores or on their website, nor does Amazon.com. It really isn't available anywhere anymore, but I still have a few copies myself. If anyone wants one, drop me a PM with a post office address.

The Third Edition is sold out! I appreciate--deeply--all those who have purchased a copy of my book, and those who have supported it. I am working on a Fourth edition, but "spare time" just doesn't seem to be ENOUGH time to get it done as quickly as I'd like. I'll let you know....

Meanwhile--just a reminder--I have recently been informed that Ron LeMaster's excellent book, THE SKIER'S EDGE, is once again available, after also being sold out for a while. We have discussed Ron's book here a few times, and Ron has posted here occasionally himself. The book has great photo-sequences of some of the best skiers in the world, and includes some of the clearest explanations I've come across about skiing's technical details.

Best regards,
Bob Barnes
post #36 of 38
Originally posted by Bob Barnes/Colorado:

There are only two ways to slow down--by increasing sliding resistance (skidding, falling, wind resistance, hitting a tree, etc.), and by GOING uphill. Bob Barnes[/QB]
Minor nit-picking point here ( I fear the self confessed physics gurus may be slacking ...

It is strictly not necessary to turn up hill to slow down. All other factors being equal (wind resistance etc), any series of turns (skidded or carved) will reduce the average effective gradient of the hill.

We can see the principle in reverse when we ascend a steep hill on a bicycle. If the hill is too steep to go straight up, you can reduce the effective gradient by weaving up the hill. Similarly coasting down the same hill on the bicycle or skateboard (analagous) to carving, the terminal velocity on the weaving path will be slower than on the direct path.

Turning uphill is just an extension of the reducing gradient principle because most of kinetic energy lost going uphill will be regained when we turn downhill again.
post #37 of 38
brakes fail.......I love it
post #38 of 38
Great thread - "swoop" , "dive and have faith" - excellent

It is interesting how few skiers actually ski this way.
As others have pointed out this brings some challenges when you find your self taking a very different path to other skiers creating some excellent opportunities for collisions.

I was skiing up on Les Grands Montets (Argentiere/Chamonix)at the weekend. I think it's fair to say that you would expect the standard of skiers on that mountain to be high. Despite this very few people (almost none) on the run to resort (I forget the name) were skiing the slow line fast.

(Yes I know the best skiers were probably not on piste but still...)

There were plenty of people skiing pretty fast but with lots of skidding and close to the fall line. One or two of them found it difficult, even on an uncrowded run, to deal with the fact that I was carving across the hill resulting in some near misses and increases in my blood pressure.

The more you we can spread the word the better.

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