EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › Ski Gear Discussion › Best Mogul ski above 90mm waist?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Best Mogul ski above 90mm waist?

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
This may be a weird request but I need help finding a ski for moguls (and off piste) 90mm or above. Mogul performance is priority but other off piste perfomance is desired as well. I love the Dynastar Big Trouble but I may need to replace her. Wondering if I should stay Dynastar in the 6th sense line or if anyone has suggestions I will Demo.
Thanks!!
post #2 of 20
K2 Extreme at 85mm is your best bet there IMHO
post #3 of 20
PM Gear Bro.

This ski is of beefy construction but is soft flexing. It's not the ideal mogul ski, but it will work better than most. It also is free of metal, so you won't need to worry about bending it.

Michael
Edited by WILDCAT - 12/26/09 at 7:20am
post #4 of 20
What would you want the new ski to do better or differently than what you have?

SJ
post #5 of 20
Thread Starter 
Hey Jim, I love the Big Trouble and the Trouble Maker for mogul skiing. The TM is an amazing mogul ski as you know. I wanted a wider beefier version of the TM which the BT is for sure. The BT is a super all mountain and good mogul ski but, and here is the kicker, the really turned up tips and especially tails are not ideal for moguls. I'd love to find a ski just like the BT's but without the really turned up tails. If it had a "slight twin" set up like the TM with the beefy feel and demensions of the BT, or if the BT just didnt have such huge twin tips, it would be a 9.5/10 IMHO. So armed with this info any suggestion willl be appreciated. I always read your reviews Jim I think your product knowledge is second to none! Thanks!
post #6 of 20
When you say good bump ski its relaly up to you. If you are a good bump skier you can make almost anything work in the bumps for a while. If you are a learnign mogul skier almost any ski this width will be very hard to use.

Good bump skis will be a wood core (usually torsionbox) ski with a nice soft (if you ski slow) or medium (if you ski fast) flex, thats light and you can make good short turns on.

I would give the PE a look--its a ski that I can ski bumps on all day. The old Nordica Beasts are also relly nice bump skis as well. Bushwacker wrote a review of the atomic snoop which is 95mm and he said he liked it better than the PE in bumps. Take a look.

I like the Scott P4 for up to maybe 4000 vertical (3 runs at my home hill) of bumps in a day, more if the snow is soft enough. But its a miserable ski to use in the bumps all day long particlaly if its hard pack. And its  alot of ski to take into the zipper line.
post #7 of 20
Sounds to me like you are describing the Watea series in whatever width between 85 and 105 you like. wood core. light, snappy flex, flat tail. and a well made ski, made in Europe, by a company with tremendous experience.

The Sixth Sense was on the wall next to the Watea. It's about 50% stiffer than the Watea. And I think it has a twin tip design still.

A wide ski that is decent in moguls will have to be somewhat soft.

note: I only know about the big ski companies. I'll delve into the developing companies in about 20 years if they are still around, and I am.
post #8 of 20
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by davluri View Post

Sounds to me like you are describing the Watea series in whatever width between 85 and 105 you like. wood core. light, snappy flex, flat tail. and a well made ski, made in Europe, by a company with tremendous experience.

The Sixth Sense was on the wall next to the Watea. It's about 50% stiffer than the Watea. And I think it has a twin tip design still.

A wide ski that is decent in moguls will have to be somewhat soft.

note: I only know about the big ski companies. I'll delve into the developing companies in about 20 years if they are still around, and I am.

I was thinking Watea 94, thats great. I'm a pretty good bumper I try to zipperline every bump run. I like a medium flex bump ski, lighter and straighter.
post #9 of 20
 It's not over 90mm, but the Kastle MX88 is a pretty fun bump ski.
post #10 of 20
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epic View Post

 It's not over 90mm, but the Kastle MX88 is a pretty fun bump ski.

Around 90mm works. Kastle's are expensive though. I'd love to demo a pair.
I've owned the PE and are a good bump ski not as good as the BT or TM. PE's are a tad heavy
post #11 of 20
Probably a stupid question but are bumps and moguls the same thing? If not what are "bumps"?
post #12 of 20
For sure, it is hard to beat the price of the PE but aside from the value, I've been pretty ho-hum on the ski. So....within the width range, I'd suggest you look at the Dynastar Spin/Distorter. It is only 87mm but is lighter and a more sophisticated build than the PE. Those two models share the "spring blade" that made the TM and BT such great skis and the tail configuration is a modest twin. (about like the Watea 94 in fact). The Spin/Distorter are the same build but the Spin has a secondary edge reinforcement. To me they ski the same. Interestingly, "Freeskier" rated the Spin #1 in it's category and the Distorter #1 in a different category (but again, they're basically the same ski). Like the BT, I suspect that these two may be among the better skis that nobody knows about.

Then again, the Watea 84/94 are great bump skis within their respective width categories too.

SJ
post #13 of 20
If you look into the Watea, you may save some money by shopping where you can get last years model as the ski was pretty widely distributed in decent numbers.
post #14 of 20
You know I have to say the Prophet 90s are really great in the moguls. Despite their stiffness they are extremely snappy and maneuverable. However I'm not sure what your height and weight is but you might want to go with a shorter ski if you want it to be more versatile in the moguls and shorter turns. Good like hope this helps!!!
post #15 of 20
 The PEs is pretty good but there are better choices.

My new snoops are damned good bump skis despite being 192cm and actually measuring 197cm..... I would venture to say that the more reasonable 184s would be great bump skis.

also look at  wateas 94, dynstar Big trouble(steepandcheap.com has had those cheap lately), 
post #16 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by ski=free View Post
 Mogul performance is priority but other off piste perfomance is desired as well.


Quote:
Originally Posted by ski=free View Post

 I'm a pretty good bumper I try to zipperline every bump run. I like a medium flex bump ski, lighter and straighter.

Whats wrong with what you are on? Sounds like you have a good ski already.
post #17 of 20
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tromano View Post





Whats wrong with what you are on? Sounds like you have a good ski already.



 


Well my BT's I love but the tails are not ideal. The TM too light to be a good all mountain ski but a great mogul ski. BT's are beat up as well. Gotama a tad big for me in moguls east. Volkl Wall very quick in bumps but too forward for crud.
If the Big Trouble had flatter tails and was say a 180 length, I'd buy 3 pair.
post #18 of 20
Thread Starter 
I think the Distorter from Dynastar may be the front runner. I just love that spring blade
post #19 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by ski=free View Post

If the Big Trouble had flatter tails and was say a 180 length, I'd buy 3 pair.

Funny you should say that. I said the same thing to the Euro guy that is the international brand manager maybe 2 years ago. He laughed and basically said that he thought that the BT was one of his better efforts but the full twin shape hurt it more than it helped. He also said at the time that he thought he'd have something coming that would address what I had said. That thing turned out to be the Sultan. Sure enough, while the Sultan is not the full "spring blade" thingy, it is pretty similar and sure enough again, it is a stellar design. I haven't seen the Sultan 94 yet so I can't say what it'll be other than my money says purty dang good.

IAC, the spring blade is a very real contributor to how great that series of ski has been and still is and the Distorter has that plus the flatter tail. It's a good call.

SJ
post #20 of 20
I got 2009 Watea 94s (186cm) in August for $289 for our trip out west.  Skied them on groomers here on the east coast and I like them.  Can't wait for some powder.  
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Ski Gear Discussion
EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › Ski Gear Discussion › Best Mogul ski above 90mm waist?