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Dynastar Sultan 85

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 I've been skiing 30 +/- days a year for almost 20 years and consider myself to be a pretty decent skier.  I'm 5'10" and 245 lbs.  I was looking for something to compliment my 2009 Gotamas in a two ski quiver.  I decided on the Sultan 85's based in a 178 on Dawg Catching's recommendation.  So far I am pretty thrilled with them.  I haven't got to ski a bunch on them but tried them on new man made snow (both soft and hard) as well as new fallen wet snow on top of a groomed man made base.  These things absolute rail turns on everything I have tried them on.  My first impression when taking them out of the box was that they were fairly soft and I was a little worried about the edge grip but those worries were completely unfounded.  I really am looking forward to spending some more time on them in the coming weeks.
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 I love these skis!  They rail turns on the groomed and perform pretty well in the softer snow I have had them in.  They even work pretty well in the bumps.  They have to be one of the best bargains out there.
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I was disappointed that these skis got no love from Skiing in the recent article about the best skis under $700.  I have skied them in all kinds of conditions (except powder) and they are simply amazing.  They do a phenomenal job of doing everything well without sacrificing performance in any one area.
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Originally Posted by cstreu1026 View Post

I was disappointed that these skis got no love from Skiing in the recent article about the best skis under $700.  I have skied them in all kinds of conditions (except powder) and they are simply amazing.  They do a phenomenal job of doing everything well without sacrificing performance in any one area.

The tests from the major magazines are sometimes pretty good but are sometimes agenda driven. You never really know for sure which, what, where, and why in those tests so I look upon those things with a pretty jaundiced eye. You can rest assured that you have the ski with the best blend of capabilities in it's width category.

SJ
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Don't worry, Dystar Sultan skis are popular in Utah, especially in Snowbird.  I don't see that many in Mammoth, CA however.
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Based on advice from a trusted Ski Shop employee, Pete at Rogers in Lincoln, NH, I took two demos to Loon Mountain this past Mon and Tues.   Sultan 85 and Vokl 50.  

As Pete had already purchased a personal pair of the Sultan's, I started with them.   Swapping over after 70% of the day.

Suffice it to say, I now also own a personal pair of the Sultans.

They stayed hooked up tip to tail, carve or skid, and all conditions the mountain had to offer over two full days of skiing.  Early morning cover, to late day icy washout the first day and to soft sun cooked on a 30 degree second day.  Much less "work" than anything else I have ever tried.

I suppose that a review is not complete without some personal details.  I'm 5'10" 245 and 55 yo.  I carve greens, 40% carve/60% skid blues, and skid what few blacks I try.   But, what is probably also interesting, Pete is a tad older than me, and I would guess 5'5" and about 135.  Certainly a better skiier than me too !  So, the interesting point is that the Sultan 85 works well for both of us !

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Interesting all the love that this ski gets on this forum.  After reading all the positive reviews here, I put them in my test group for the industry demo at Snowbasin this last week.  I had very high hopes for the ski.

I am sorry to say, that it was one of the bigger disappointments of the test for me.  It definitely skis stiffer and bigger than it feels when you hand flex it.  I found the Sultan 85, sluggish and lifeless, just a fair to average carver, with fair edge hold.  It would skid readily and did handle crud well, but was just average on steep groomed conditions.  I tested this ski twice (which I rarely do, as I felt that the first time I skiied it that the tune was off), and for several runs, just to make sure.   I kind of started to get used to the ski, but simply did not enjoy it. 

In comparison to other skis in this category, the Sultan did not match up for me.  The new Volkl Kendo is much better on groomed, the Fischer Watea 84 is much more nimble in crud and soft snow, and the Rossignol Phantom SC 87 and Nordica Jet Fuel have more versatility and life to them.  

I've said before, that ski reviews very personal and this reinforces that idea.  No matter what you read here or in other forums, or what you hear from folks.  Demo, if you can, before you buy. 
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Originally Posted by coolhand View Post

Interesting all the love that this ski gets on this forum.  After reading all the positive reviews here, I put them in my test group for the industry demo at Snowbasin this last week.  I had very high hopes for the ski.

I am sorry to say, that it was one of the bigger disappointments of the test for me.  It definitely skis stiffer and bigger than it feels when you hand flex it.  I found the Sultan 85, sluggish and lifeless, just a fair to average carver, with fair edge hold.  It would skid readily and did handle crud well, but was just average on steep groomed conditions.  I tested this ski twice (which I rarely do, as I felt that the first time I skiied it that the tune was off), and for several runs, just to make sure.   I kind of started to get used to the ski, but simply did not enjoy it. 

In comparison to other skis in this category, the Sultan did not match up for me.  The new Volkl Kendo is much better on groomed, the Fischer Watea 84 is much more nimble in crud and soft snow, and the Rossignol Phantom SC 87 and Nordica Jet Fuel have more versatility and life to them.  

I've said before, that ski reviews very personal and this reinforces that idea.  No matter what you read here or in other forums, or what you hear from folks.  Demo, if you can, before you buy. 

 

This was my reaction when I demoed the ski also.  I say this as the owner of 2 sets of Legend series skis.  I liked it's versatility but there was no fun factor, somehow.  Pretty vague complaint, I know.  I do hope it's a winner for Dynastar. 
post #10 of 13
 How about you guys tells us your specs and what size Sultan you were on?  That is kind of important.

At 6'1 200lb, my 184cm Sultan 85s actually feel and ski short to me, which I like.  I get straight line stability of a longer ski, but turning and nimble feel of a shorter ski.  I find them great on hardpack, so much so that I sold my Progressors.  The Sultans have been filling that role for me all season, and transition pretty well into softer snow before I start reaching for wider skis.
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I am 6'1", 225#, middle aged,skiing for over 35 yrs., not a racer, but consider myself a solid mid-level, expert skier that skis all over the mountain, not big on air though.  The two Sultan 85's that I tested were 178cm.  

The Sultan 85 did most everything I asked of it, it really didn't 'fail' at anything, but it didn't display any standout qualities either.  For me, it's performance didn't compare well to others that I skiied in the same category. 

If it works well for you and you love it, great.  But the Sultan didn't impress me much. Just one guy's opinion.    
post #12 of 13
I'm 5' 11" and 183 lbs.  I was skiing the 172.  Again, a very similar opinion to Coolhand.  I felt comfortable on the ski right away.  The grip was good and they were capable in the soft stuff.  I don't find them as damp as the 8000s and I didn't care for that.  I'd spend a day on them again if someone handed them to me but I wouldn't pay for another demo.
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Originally Posted by coolhand View Post

I am 6'1", 225#, middle aged,skiing for over 35 yrs., not a racer, but consider myself a solid mid-level, expert skier that skis all over the mountain, not big on air though.  The two Sultan 85's that I tested were 178cm.  

The Sultan 85 did most everything I asked of it, it really didn't 'fail' at anything, but it didn't display any standout qualities either.  For me, it's performance didn't compare well to others that I skiied in the same category. 

If it works well for you and you love it, great.  But the Sultan didn't impress me much. Just one guy's opinion.    

To me that is the standout quality.  It doesn't stand out in any one particular area but when you step back and take a look at the big picture it performs equally well in a variety of situations.  I agree it comes down to personal prefference when it comes to skis but as a true multi-purpose ski I think it stands out.  I bought it as a replacement for my Watea 84 which I liked a lot but the the Sultan is better in bumps and doesn't have the hard snow chatter that the Watea does when you get the slightest bit lazy.
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