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post #31 of 59
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Originally Posted by rossy View Post

for sure the flites



Qualify that?

 

At his weight those flights will be a noodle. The titanal layer in the regular P90 will provide extra tortional rigidity that a guy his weight will appreciate.

post #32 of 59
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Originally Posted by Greg Sobol View Post



 

Ok, I'm about 6'4" and 220 pounds.  Athletic and I'm aggressive, or atleast I think I am.  I love high speeds and sharp turning/manuverability.  I ski blacks and double blacks quite often and i'm looking to start doing some stuff in the park.  and I really want to learn to ski switch.  I see you're a supporter of the P90's which I'm basically in love with based on the reviews and overall looks/specs.  But I don't understand because the ski community seems to be split about the Flites.  If the Flites are soft, I'll go P90, but if the Flites are firm enough there really seems to be no point in spending the extra money for the P90's.  I might seem a little confused or uninformed here.  But I want to get value out of these if i'm gonna spend possibly 600.  Also, how much do the ski's change from year to year?  For example what is the advantage of getting the 11's over last years 2010 model?  the P90 appears to be the exact same.  
 



Both skis have same contruction as last year, just different graphics. I have the P90s. At your weight (I'm 10lbs lighter) I think the P90 would be a better choice as an all mountain ripper. However, I noticed that you're wanting to learn to ski switch and play in the park. I don't think the Prophets would be my first choice if learning swtich and park skiing were a high priority. Perhaps you might consider the Blend or Chronic instead. They won't have the P90's damp GS feel though.


Edited by JimiB - 9/30/10 at 1:31am
post #33 of 59

I'm a 5'10" 165 female strong intermediate skier and I have the 2008 Line Celebrities in a 172, which are the female specific version of the Prophet Flites (no metal, poplar core, carbon fiber).  They handle just about anything pretty well, except for carving on eastern hardpack (ice).  But then, I get out my Progressors. Otherwise, the Lines are fun, and they did great for me in the park, when I used to do all the jumps (knee injury prevents that now).  Anyway, I got a chance to ski the 2010 Celebrities which have metal in them like the P90, and I didn't enjoy them as much...they were a little more work and not as playful. For the conditions I ski the Lines in, I'd rather not have the metal.

post #34 of 59

I'm fairly light - about 145 pounds and 5'8'', and I found the flite lacking. It just feels too light and flappy - it is tossed around in crud, and doesn't really bite into harder snow - a lot of rattling around. I'm thinking of upgrading to the P90, or maybe something with a sidewall, perhaps the snoop daddy.

post #35 of 59
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Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post

 

 

At his weight those flights will be a noodle. The titanal layer in the regular P90 will provide extra tortional rigidity that a guy his weight will appreciate.


and maybe even torsional rigidity....
 

post #36 of 59

I think you need to decide what you want to ski. If you like flying down groomers or a bit of crud and really digging it those turns then go with the stiffer prophet 90s. If you like to go easier, or in the trees or bumps go with the prophet flites. I think if you weight more than about 160 then the flites are going to be too soft for you anyway. if you are looking for a ski for the trees or bumps or just a softer ski, I think there are better skis out there. Maybe a stiffer rockered ski.

post #37 of 59
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Originally Posted by Joeysad2 View Post

I think you need to decide what you want to ski. If you like flying down groomers or a bit of crud and really digging it those turns then go with the stiffer prophet 90s. If you like to go easier, or in the trees or bumps go with the prophet flites. I think if you weight more than about 160 then the flites are going to be too soft for you anyway. if you are looking for a ski for the trees or bumps or just a softer ski, I think there are better skis out there. Maybe a stiffer rockered ski.



What skis would you suggest?  I like high speed runs, as well as dipping into the deeper snow in the trees and other off-trail obstacles.  I hear that line ski's are known for being a little softer than most other brands, I just figured with the metal matrix they would be stiff enough for someone my size and who ski's aggressively the way i do.  But by all means i'm open to any suggestions.

post #38 of 59

Which ones did you get and how did they perform?

post #39 of 59

I nabbed the p90's over the flites for the metal layer.  I'm a big guy and I can use all of the rigidity I can get my hands on.   I haven't gotten on them yet, as it's been 60* here lately.

post #40 of 59

hey nick how did those 90's turn out for you?  and when you say big guy how big are we talking?

 

Don't mean to beat a dead horse, but I'm stuck in the flite/90 decision as well.  I'm thinking 179cm.

 

intermediate skier (bored on blues, fine on blacks, can get down doubles but it isn't pretty), looking to progress to advanced this year.  ski at breck and vail mostly, gunning for 40-50 days this year.  I'm 5'11, 195.  looking for a ski that will help me grow.  I'm curious about a few things. 

 

1. It seems theres some debate about whether someone my size is too heavy for the flites?  I'm okay with having limitations on my skis, and if the only big limitation with the flites is a slightly slower speed limit on groomers I can deal with that. 

 

2. Is having a stiffer ski going to help or hurt my progression on double blacks ?(my main priority of the season).  Right now I can get down double blacks but I am having a hard time taking a direct line and being comfortable at speed.  It seems I get going too fast and I'm unable to stay in control over small bumps and patches of deeper powder (I think the powder issue is more my skinny skis than my technique, in my (unexperienced) opinion).  I think I need to be working on absorbing impacts better and I'm worried a stiffer ski will transfer more of that impact into me and make it harder for me to improve in that regard.

 

3. I'm trying to improve in the moguls as well.  This is basically why I have ruled out the prophet 100.  are the flites or 90's a better choice for improving in the bumps?  I'm not looking at anything slimmer than 90 at the waist (-> right now breck's 72hr report is 26 inches)

 

I understand I might ski better on the 90s or the flites, but which one will help me BECOME a better skier? 

 

I'm not really at the experience level where I feel I could demo two skis that are so similar and tell you the differences.  This is why I am (slightly) leaning towards the flites, I just spent a ton on a new pair of boots, and I'd rather save the difference for a new pair of skis down the road when I can tell the difference.

post #41 of 59

Go for the 90's. I originally got the flites as I only weigh 145 pounds, but I did not like them at all. The are much to soft and chattery, not good at any kind of speed. I now have the 90 in 172 and find it hard to believe that anybody could find it too much ski. I do not find it a problem at lower speeds, and it is much better at higher speed, had much better edge grip, and is generally a better proposition.

post #42 of 59

Go for the 90's, but, they are not forgiving in the bumps at all, not sure you would pick them to learn how to ski big bumps.  Flites may work better for bumps I would think?  But overall I would pick the 90's if you want to progress.  You can rip on the 90's, flites are more casual.

post #43 of 59

Yes - bumps are a handful with the 90, but you can make them work. They are still a much better option.

post #44 of 59

thanks for the responses.  spent two weeks breaking down the prophets only to end up buying icelantic pilgrims today on a moment's notice, they were too good of a deal to turn down.

post #45 of 59

I am looking at the prophets in a 172cm length. I am 5'8" and 155lbs. Worried the P 90's will be a bit much to handle in the bumps. I have skiied a pair of 177 Volkl kendos in the bumps, I was tired afterward but other than that they werent too bad. What do yall think? If I can handle 177 kendos will I be good with the P 90s. Worried that the flites would be great for the bumps, but just not enough ski everywhere else.

post #46 of 59

I am the same height and weight as you with a 172 P90. Yes, they are not great in the bumps, but I have only tried a couple of runs in the bumps with them so far. I'm sure I will get used to them. They will definitely be easier than the Kendo. I have had the flites aswell and hated them - of course they are easier in the bumps, but they really are a noodle. Much too light for my tastes and not good at any kind of speed. The P90 is a much better all-round ski, and I really don't know who would enjoy the flite - apart from women who may find it great.

post #47 of 59
Just got the flites., if your into park get the flites but if you really want a ski that has a stronger base to it and a stiffer ski then go with the 90's, but either way both really nice skies.
post #48 of 59
I'm 145 lbs, an aggressive skier that likes to ski bumps, trees, groomers, and a little park. I love goin fast on groomers but being in control in the trees and bumps. I also love drops and airtime. Which one of the two are best for me. I like playful, but durable skis.
post #49 of 59

Just to add another point of view, I recently demoed the P90s (172cm) and thought they were great in bumps (Morning Star at Sugarbush).  I love my Rossi B2s for bumps, and I thought the P90s were just as good in bumps, and much better in all other conditions.  I'm thinking the 179cm is probably a better fit for me.

 

For reference, I'm a 6', 160 lbs, advanced skier, and like to ski anything ungroomed, especially bumps and trees.  I don't ski fast, because of all those bumps and trees.

 

The P90s did ski great on hard pack, though that's not my thing.  I'm interested in trying the Flites, too.  Wondering which floats better in powder.

post #50 of 59

I'm a big guy, at about 230 lbs but I'm not a very aggressive skier.  I'd say I'm intermediate/advanced and I can charge down stuff but I prefer to take it a little easier so the Flites seem like the best choice for my style of skiing but would they be enough ski for my size?  Or would my size make it easier to handle the 90's than a lighter person? I know this may be a confusing post but I don't know much about stiffness/weight of skis or anything as I've always just bought old rental skis but I'm ready to step it up and it would be nice to have a ski that will help me make the step.

post #51 of 59

to the 2011 post: P90s, I own the flites, although have yet to ski on them, I see some one your size overpowering the flites easily. They fit how I ski perfectly but I would be on something with more heft if I weighed even 20 pounds more, and you have 100 on me.

post #52 of 59
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Originally Posted by lovetheland View Post

I'm a big guy, at about 230 lbs but I'm not a very aggressive skier.  I'd say I'm intermediate/advanced and I can charge down stuff but I prefer to take it a little easier so the Flites seem like the best choice for my style of skiing but would they be enough ski for my size?  Or would my size make it easier to handle the 90's than a lighter person? I know this may be a confusing post but I don't know much about stiffness/weight of skis or anything as I've always just bought old rental skis but I'm ready to step it up and it would be nice to have a ski that will help me make the step.


Too much man for the flites.

 

post #53 of 59

This isn't addressed specifically to any ones particular post, just my thoughts on the skis Not completely on topic but should help out a bit..  I am 5'11" and weigh in at 215. I have been skiing for 30 years, would consider myself a good skier. I purchased the LP100's in 179cm last year and have used them from British Columbia all the way to Blue mountain and Bear Creek back home in the Philadelphia area. I am VERY impressed with how quick you can turn them and how well they hold an edge on the hard pack as well as how they preformed in 2.5' of fresh pow. Now realizing how quick and easy they are to maneuver i wish i went with the next size up. Just remember when picking the size this is a twin tip ski so the actual size will be smaller than what is advertised. With your height and weight i would say go with the flights but even if you got the LP90's  you will still be able to turn them for sure. No matter which ones you get you will like them for sure. but again seems like the Flite might be better for you.

post #54 of 59
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Originally Posted by goondock View Post

This isn't addressed specifically to any ones particular post, just my thoughts on the skis Not completely on topic but should help out a bit..  I am 5'11" and weigh in at 215. I have been skiing for 30 years, would consider myself a good skier. I purchased the LP100's in 179cm last year and have used them from British Columbia all the way to Blue mountain and Bear Creek back home in the Philadelphia area. I am VERY impressed with how quick you can turn them and how well they hold an edge on the hard pack as well as how they preformed in 2.5' of fresh pow. Now realizing how quick and easy they are to maneuver i wish i went with the next size up. Just remember when picking the size this is a twin tip ski so the actual size will be smaller than what is advertised. With your height and weight i would say go with the flights but even if you got the LP90's  you will still be able to turn them for sure. No matter which ones you get you will like them for sure. but again seems like the Flite might be better for you.


Not at 230 pounds.

 

post #55 of 59
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Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post

Not at 230 pounds.

 



NO NOT AT ALL, my comment was for the original poster.. He is a light weight compared to the 230 and myslef at 215.. yes  for the bigger guys don't do the flite.. sorry for the confusion

post #56 of 59

So, I'm trying to decide between the 2012 Prophet 90s v. Flite. I ski bumps and trees whenever possible, although I'm not a fast skier.  I guess I'm considered an expert, at least to the extent that I can ski anything that I've seen in the east; the Loaf is my home mtn. I'm 5'9", 165 lbs.  Is the new Flite enough ski, especially on mixed terrain on marked trails? How is the P90 with metal in the bumps? Is it quick edge to edge? How much of a factor is the extra weight?  Any input would be appreciated. Thanks!

post #57 of 59

I had a pair of p90's from 2010.  They were not good in the bumps, but you could hack it.  It was a solid ski and pretty stiff, almost like a fat groomer ski that worked well in deeper snow because of the width.  That year was the last year that the prophets were full cambered.  Now with the early rise maybe this has changed a bit?  Can anyone comment?

post #58 of 59

cli4d36p,

 

I'm thinking about getting some LP90's and most things I have read said that they're pretty good in the bumps for an all mountain. Can you elaborate on why they aren't good in that aspect? Just trying to get a well rounded knowledge of the ski before I pull any triggers!

 

Thanks.

 

Mark

post #59 of 59

They were sluggish in the bumps, but the year I got them they were fully cambered (no early rise).  That and the metal sheet made them pretty stiff and sluggish in the bumps, great at everything else.   However, it wasn't like I would avoid bumps on them.  They did work and I guess that's the point of an all mountain type ski.  It works all over the mountain, but it works better for certain types of skiing than other types.   Also, I haven't tried the new ones so my reviews may not be useful anymore.  The new ones have early rise.

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