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Boot Modifications for Extra Large Calves?

post #1 of 6
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Hi all. I have a question concerning modifications suggested for my new boots (Atomic RT Ti). I have a normal width foot, so I fit into the lower shell with a race fit with some minor grinding. My problem is with the cuff due to my super large calves from increased strength training over the past year.

 

At the top of the stock height cuff, my calves measure 20.5 inches in circumference. The removable rear spoiler was removed during the initial fitting. I need to tighten the bottom three buckles normally for my foot shape. The top buckle is micro adjusted all the way out, and the latch was moved to the outer most position. Even with the buckle just closed in the first position of the latch, my foot goes numb after a few runs from loss of circulation to the foot. I took to boot back to the initial fitter who suggested cutting a horizontal slit in the outer covering of the liner above the cuff to allow the liner to balloon out over the top of the cuff. He was hesitant to cut down the height of the shell itself since I intend to use the boot for racing. He was worried about loss of edging with a lower cuff height.

 

I decided to get a “second opinion” and went to another shop that has a well known bootfitter in the race community (he has World Cup experience). He took one look at the size of my legs, and stated not only would the liner need cut to allow flex, but the cuff would need cut all the way down to just above the top buckle. I asked him about edging with a boot that low, and he stated it is not ideal, but I have no choice. The current fit with my leg size is not only affecting my fore-aft position, but side to side as well. He said what I really need is a custom made cuff, and since I was not a World Cup Racer (LOL) that isn’t going to happen. He said other than the cuff issue, the boots fit me great.

 

So now I don’t know what to do. Is the initial boot fitter right, or do I have the major operation done on the boots by fitter #2 and hope for the best as far as any loss of edging in the course?

Thanks for any opinions and options.

post #2 of 6
why not try the liner cut, and see how that feels.   then get the shell lowered a bit and see how that feels.   there will be a balance between calf pain, edge hold, and feeling in the foot.   no one can feel what you are feeling, so anyone is guessing where that balance is.

sounds like some good options, and some good boot fitters you have to work with...

also have you tried adding a small heel lift to get a bit more of your calf out of the boot?
post #3 of 6
i would strat with a small lift to lift you out a bit, then look at having the cuff flared back, it is possible (with the right tools) to move the the cuff top back by a good chunk using a stretcher this will allow you ro stand a bit taller without cutting the cuff, i think you will probably also need the liber cut or prehaps try a thin intuition such as the plug or the universal which is very thin and can offer a bit more space in that area
post #4 of 6
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Neither bootfitter thought a lifter would help much. Not only is my calve muscles large in circumference, but they are very prominent medially and extend lower than typical. I would have to raise my leg inches out of the boot to get my circumference down to what is average. Plus, my instep is already pretty snug in the boot, so I'm not sure how much room there is to raise the foot. I could ask them again, however.

Fitter #1 never mentioned cuff stretching, fitter #2 briefly mentioned it, but rethought the issue due to the sheer size of my lower leg along with how low the muscle runs. He though the only option was to cut and reshape the cuff opening by some grinding. I'm not opposed to cut/grinding, but once it is done, there is no going back.
post #5 of 6
WOW!!! 20 inch calf.

I have worked with on customer with 18 inch calves with success, But.
http://southern-ski-tools.southernski.com/tjs4.html This tools will pull the shell back but you need about 1.5? inches and that is in your boot which starts off with a very upright cuff(60.5mm of forward lean).
post #6 of 6
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Originally Posted by miketsc View Post

WOW!!! 20 inch calf.

I have worked with on customer with 18 inch calves with success, But.
http://southern-ski-tools.southernski.com/tjs4.html This tools will pull the shell back but you need about 1.5? inches and that is in your boot which starts off with a very upright cuff(60.5mm of forward lean).

Exactly. That's why Fitter #2 rethought any stretching. My lower leg is just too darn big.

I just got off the phone with him. He said my lower leg issue (large, low calf muscles) is an extreme version of the issue many of the World Cup women racers have. Many of the women racers use boots with lower cuffs to accommodate their calf shape. His proposal is to lower/reshape the cuff like their boots, but keep the 150 flex due to my body mass. He said many men need higher cuff boots, but after rethinking my case, lower will actually be better. I asked him again about loss of edging due to the lower cuff, and he responded "How many women World Cup racers do you see having edging problems" He has a good point! I think the key is to get the boots aligned with my lower leg shape, and the rest will fall into place.

Boot surgery is scheduled for this weekend.

Thanks for all the replies.
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