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post #1 of 16
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She made it, the ski team!  But she's never run gates or even seen a gate for that matter.  So what's the next step.  What does she need to pick up in the line of equipment and what should she do to prepare for the course, skill wise.


It would seem that a racing helmet with the wire across the front would be a starting place.  Then what about pads for shins and forearm.  Curvy poles.  New skis?  I have no experience with racing to speak of.

Yesterday we were skiing and it was demo day.  She presently skis on Burnin Luvs.  She demoed the Foxfire and her skiing improved noticeably.  She was laying an down an edge for the first time.  They were 152s.  One of my racer buddies got a pair of Dynastar GS skis out of the locker for her to try, but they were too short and too soft.  I wonder if it would be appropriate to pick up a pair of Foxfire or would that not be enough of a racing ski.  She is maybe a level 7.

The news of her making the team has already translated to much improved skiing.  I think that realizes that she had better get her $#!t together so she is paying attention to skills and what people are suggesting.  She still won't listen to me though.

So your experience is needed.  Please keep in mind that I am broke, plus I want to buy more stuff for me  She is having problems with her boots, Burnin Luvs aren't going to cut it and she has never even seen a slalom pole!  Where do we start?

post #2 of 16
 I'm sure that the Foxfire would be enough ski for her. But first, find out what kind of racing they do. SL, GS, a NASTAR set or what? From what I have seen, the HS races aren't super hard, and the level of skiers you will see there is very variable. You'll see kids that have been doing Jr USSA races for years and other s that are on twintips and have never carved a turn in their life.
post #3 of 16
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Originally Posted by Paul Jones View Post

She made it, the ski team!  But she's never run gates or even seen a gate for that matter.  So what's the next step.  What does she need to pick up in the line of equipment and what should she do to prepare for the course, skill wise.


It would seem that a racing helmet with the wire across the front would be a starting place.  Then what about pads for shins and forearm.  Curvy poles.  New skis?  I have no experience with racing to speak of.

Yesterday we were skiing and it was demo day.  She presently skis on Burnin Luvs.  She demoed the Foxfire and her skiing improved noticeably.  She was laying an down an edge for the first time.  They were 152s.  One of my racer buddies got a pair of Dynastar GS skis out of the locker for her to try, but they were too short and too soft.  I wonder if it would be appropriate to pick up a pair of Foxfire or would that not be enough of a racing ski.  She is maybe a level 7.

The news of her making the team has already translated to much improved skiing.  I think that realizes that she had better get her $#!t together so she is paying attention to skills and what people are suggesting.  She still won't listen to me though.

So your experience is needed.  Please keep in mind that I am broke, plus I want to buy more stuff for me  She is having problems with her boots, Burnin Luvs aren't going to cut it and she has never even seen a slalom pole!  Where do we start?


To start, a dual event ski would be just fine- the Burnin Luvs are definitely not going to cut it. The Fischer RC4 SC or Progressor, or the Atomic GS11M/12M would be good fits.  Don't bother with the slalom gear just yet, just a good helmet. Where are they training? West Mt?
post #4 of 16
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I think training is at Hunter.  Occasionally at Bellare.

No way in hell is going to ski on the RC 4 - it wuold be way too much for her.  She really is a level 7. 
post #5 of 16
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Epic, this is a Club team - College.  But they go to NCAA, collegiate races  I thing we will need a "sit down" discussion about "ruts".

BTW, she is a freshman, 18 yrs old.
post #6 of 16
 I'm sure they're not Div I or she wouldn't have made the team. The only NCAA races I've seen are Div I, so I'm not really sure what she should be expecting. I will say though I think they will probably be racing some GS and racing GS on an SL ski is not only slow, but also not all that fun. I think we need some more intel here. When you do know what you are looking for though, there are places like Edgewise in Stowe where you can get consignment skis. This would be race stock stuff, but there are all kinds of race stock skis. Some of the junior stuff might be just the ticket if she doesn't have to comply with FIS rules.
post #7 of 16
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I think training is at Hunter.  Occasionally at Bellare.

No way in hell is going to ski on the RC 4 - it wuold be way too much for her.  She really is a level 7. 

The coaches at Belleayre are super. The director, Jim Cardenali, runs some of the best race camps around- if you want to jump start her he has a holiday race camp next week- I think it's about $250 for 4 days. Probably better than spending $250 on equipment!

As for the RC4, I was referring to the "citizen" version, which has a 16M sidecut. My wife skis the RC4 Jr 163's, I'd say she's a level 8 and a 2nd year racer (skis everywhere on the mountain with confidence, carved turns on everything but the steepest terrain, but has problems with difficult conditions such as icy racecourses) and she absolutely LOVES them. Check ski team websites for great deals, stuff that people just want to get rid of. We got those skis in particular from one of my old hills' exchange board (Hunt Hollow.)

I get so excited when kids get into ski racing. I don't know why it's not more popular in this country.
post #8 of 16
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Epic, this is a Club team - College.  But they go to NCAA, collegiate races 

If it's a club team, it's more than likely USCSA, not NCAA, which means same comment above about everyone from serious racers to kids on twintips still applies.
post #9 of 16
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She has made the college race team which is a club sport.  She will be attending races throughout the EC.  Some of the races will have very high level skiers, from what I understand.  They accommodate the club skiers from the sounds of things.

I was thinking about used race gear.  I could check with the local teams and see what's available.

What about the metal wire - face mask - on the helmet.  Seems like that would be a necessity.  Would be for me!
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by Paul Jones View Post

She has made the college race team which is a club sport.  She will be attending races throughout the EC.  Some of the races will have very high level skiers, from what I understand.  They accommodate the club skiers from the sounds of things.

I was thinking about used race gear.  I could check with the local teams and see what's available.

What about the metal wire - face mask - on the helmet.  Seems like that would be a necessity.  Would be for me!

This is the kind of ski I think would be perfect to start out on in GS, not knowing exactly what she weighs. (This is a good price for these, by the way.) As for slalom gear, I wouldn't worry about it just yet.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/spo/1513838815.html
post #11 of 16
The face mask thing is just for slalom gates.  Depends on if her helmet has some place to attach it or not and you'll want to get the one made for the helmet so it's the correct angle. 
post #12 of 16
My guess is a USCSA/NCAA (mostly USCSA) race club that is similar to Cornell's. Here are the schedules for 08-09 and 09-10:
http://www.rso.cornell.edu/skiing/alpine/calendar.php
 
http://www.rso.cornell.edu/skiing/alpine/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1255562481&archive=&start_from=&ucat=2&


My understanding is that USCSA is pretty low key. Club members can range from upper rec skier (of about L7) to top ex-USSA/FIS prospects. Even though they race on true USSA course, some kids actually race on twin tips. They train on the same runs as older USSA racers. I don't know for sure but I think they only do SL and GS.

As for what equipment is needed, you should talk to the club coaches/director. I can share with you my two cents based on I would get for my J3 girl.

For SL, definitely get shin, chin and hand guard (full not half). It might be advisable to get a chest guard for protection if she is an more-than-timid racer. Teeth guard is nice too.

For GS, get a well padded suit, a pair of training pants/shorts (I like the zip off ones). The rest is up to you.

Definitely go for a full face helmet. If you can swing it, get two. That way you can have one for SL and one for the speed events (I would consider GS as one). Chin guards are for SL only and it's not safe to use for GS. They typically come with (small) screws that attach to the helmet but they can easily be lost. Having two helmets allows easy swapping.

For poles, SL are either straight or slightly bent. GS has more than a bend to it. Go a bit long with GS poles.
 

 
 
post #13 of 16
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That post is helpful.

Here's what I found:
 
We had 5 races in Vermont and New Hampshire.  We race against Yale, Vassar, Brandeis, Wesleyan and Castleton.  We race the downhill events of Slalom and Giant Slalom.  Although some of the team members have racing experience, most of us have just been skiing our entire lives and join the team for the skiing.

This season our boys team won our division and went on to Regionals.  We are not very competitive in the region, so we go as more of a fun end of the season trip.  If anyone is interested in joining the ski team. they can access our club website.
post #14 of 16
 Congrats to your girl Paul.  She's a pretty awesome young lady.
post #15 of 16
Great news!  Ski team was the best part of my college time.

Here's a website with lots of good used race gear.

Don't worry too much about "too much ski"  Young athletic types do fine on real race gear.

http://www.nemasters.org/forsale.html
post #16 of 16
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You should see the change in attitude towards her skill development.  It's so much fun to watch

Thanks for the site.
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