Ouch. The Hindenburg reference really hurts. Overall, I'd say that's a pretty thorough take down. I'm now feeling fortunate to get to the bottom of the hill safely.
I think a good place to start, since you are a "hellavuskier", would be to post a video of your QCT's so I can have some idea of your ability level. Anyone that can dish out the pain like you can should have some good video to add to the discussion.
I think we have that covered by now. However, you won't see me making turns like yours just to prove to you that I can. I can make a quick brushed turn that works for bumps and offpiste alike, but it doesn't look like, or have many movements in common with your skiing. My skiing is simply different - for the reasons I stated above. and yes, I use movements derived from race technique (note I'm not saying pure race technique) everywhere on the mountain.
As I said before, I initiate my next turn immediately after crossing the fall line. This means I roll my toes/ankle engaging my new edge well before entering the fall line and simultaneously realize direction change. Your claim that my QCT lacks these properties is false as these video stills clearly show. The pics are from well before the fall line and demonstrate new edge initiation and direction change.
What you're showing here is the pivot portion of your turn that Rick pointed out. The edges are far from engaged. This is part of the "light" portion of your turn. You're able to pivot the skis because the edges are not engaged. The second photo is just as you're coming out of the pivot and you're about to make that big heel push to get your redirection - again - what is shown in this picture is not what is allowing you to change direction quickly.
Compare your skiing to this skiing. Your skiing doesn't look like that either - and THAT is a classic quick carved turn!
You are pushing off the outside ski - that is where the energy is coming from - the hard edge set and quick direction change. You then take all of the energy and project it up because you cannot harness it and use it for your next turn. If you look at the video I posted of the bump skiers, especially the Japanese guys, they are all harnessing the energy from turn to turn without using a push off or an up move.
The slalom turns are entirely irrelevant because their engagement is coming from an entirely different movement pattern than your engagement. Their engagement is also very long... their pressuring of the ski is quick because it is slalom. They are carving. You aren't. There is nothing to compare between your skiing and their skiing - accept that you're both skiing.
- Yes, I did watch it.
- I'm pretty sure I know what an edged ski looks like... in fact some might go so far as considering me a somewhat reliable authority on the topic.
- Can't come close to matching your technique? Well that is partially true. You will never see me matching your technique, but it is not because I can't. I'm not hacking your technique either. It's definitely not about your and not personal - trust me on that. I'm giving you feedback that someone should have given to you long before you started teaching this stuff to others. I really meant what I said about respecting your willingness to open up the mountain to others and that you should find it easy to do it the right way if you put your mind to it. You're definitely athletic enough to ski however you want to if you put your mind to it. Seriously, watch the Japanese guys ski.
This is what my skis on edge look like when they enter the fall line in a QCT. If this isn't enough evidence of actively tipping my skis on edge, which you claim my QCT's don't exhibit, then you are in denial. Look how far my skis and feet are laterally from my chest as my body drops straight down the fall line, a tight fall line, during this quick carved turn. There is no way I am going to bring these skis back across the fall line without carving.
That is during your heel push and subsequent edge set. the skis aren't carving before or after engaging. Edge angle has nothing to do with this... plus your edge angle is a result of the heel push and leaning into the turn. There is no tipping movements going on at all (nothing happening that was discussed in the ankle roll thread) and not balancing movements happening. You recover your balance (which you are out of in both of these shots) by slamming onto your uphill edges and using the energy stored in that turn to project yourself upward so you can recenter. I am not the one in denial here. It doesn't sound like it is me that you're trying to convince anymore. FWIW, those are not representative of high edge angles in any kind of turn.
I admit that I'm antiquated in the skiing world at the age of 48, but I've been making these exact same carving turns for almost 30 years. I never said I invented this turn or technique, I believe Joe Cordeau was the first skier to perfect it and achieve "light tips". SVMM using QCT's as it's foundation was decades ahead of the ski industry and still is today. It's the best technique to hold a "tight line" down almost any skiable terrain. So don't be "shocked" at what I'm "preaching", I've been carving on 2 edges long before they invented shaped skis.
...Still not a carved turn. You have been making these turns since the 80's - of that I am certain, but they weren't carved then and they aren't carved now. This skiing is not decades ahead of anything and could be done just as well on skis from the 80's as you're doing it on new GS skis. This should signal to you that it is in fact at the very least a decade and a half behind what is cutting edge in the ski industry... perhaps even more. There is a reason you have chosen a long GS ski to demo these turns. I'm not shocked to see you on a ski that is relatively straight. If the ski was trying to carve from underneath you (and believe me, a more shapely ski would) as you made these kinds of edge sets you'd quickly find yourself ejected from the turn - because you are not carving and a shaped ski wants to be carving. This is not the best technique for skiing ANY line down ANY skiable terrain. I've already pointed out the shortcomings and stated several reasons why they are shortcomings, yet you push onward. If you are intent on improving your skiing and willing to learn what you missed while you were away for ten years, this would be the point at which you put that information on a note card and put it in your ski jacket pocket to read on the lift. Make a copy for shipps too.