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Arc'teryx Sidewinder VS Stingray

post #1 of 19
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i'm looking into buying a jacket for this ski season. can i can get a review on the two jackets? what are the difference? and which should i opt for?
post #2 of 19
I have the Stingray and love it; very nice soft feel to it.   Which Sidewinder are you looking at, the AR or SV.   Personally I would opt for the SV over the AR since I'm not a big fan of the stowable hood.   Both Sidewinders use Pro Shell material and do not feel as soft but should be more durable.  To be honest I have been through some torrential rain with my Stingray Jacket and it kept me completely dry so I wouldn't worry too much about staying dry.   I have Theta SV pants that use Pro Shell material and I actually prefer the soft shell pro loft material used for the Stingray.
For me the decision would come down to fit and which jacket I could get the better deal on.   Color may factor into the equation as well.
post #3 of 19
When I was jacket shopping the end of last season, those two were on my short-list as well. After trying them on, I found that i disliked the sidewinder zipper.  Between deals and colors that I found, I actually ended up going with the Stinger jacket, love its light weight from the proshell, and the high collar to keep the wind out.  Stowable hood isn't super useful, but it's whats there. 
May still be some good deals to be had on last years colors on all the jackets.
post #4 of 19

After much research myself I just purchased a Stingray myself (copper color) and love it!  I haven't really put it through the ringer yet so can't really comment on anything other than fit and feel.  I read somewhere it was more of a snowboard jacket (cut short and boxy) which I did find a little less than attractive however I loved everything else about it too much not to go with it! I've gotten many compliments on it already just walking around town and such...I like its simple minimal design, soft to touch, attention to detail, and not flaunting the brand logo all over.

post #5 of 19
You made the right decision!  it's a very nice shell. Ignore the snowboard comment, that has no merit. Not even sure what that means anymore.
post #6 of 19
Concur w/Finndog, great shell, ignore the snowboard comment, poster didn't know what he was talking about.  I'd say even ignore the "boxy" comment as I had bought both the Arc'teryx Sidewinder AR and Stingray from backcountry.com at the same time in the same marked size, and direct comparison (jackets measured against each other, also worn) the Stingray was the shorter, trimmer, and less baggy of the two, which is why it was the one I kept.

I'm actually not in love with the color that I bought ("Mineral", which turned out to be more of a light green + olive green), but the construction (note the curvaceous panel junctions and seam seals) is certainly much more intricate than that of the Sidewinder AR, which may explain why the Stingray was not outsourced and seems to be still made in the corporate headquarters.

*edited per Finndog's correction*
Edited by DtEW - 1/6/10 at 2:32pm
post #7 of 19
DtEW, sounds like you got the Mineral version, the slate is a different color, kind of blue/grey color, like well, slate :)

post #8 of 19
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

DtEW, sounds like you got the Mineral version, the slate is a different color, kind of blue/grey color, like well, slate :)
 

Oops... yes, you are absolutely correct!  "Mineral" it is.

(I was thinking of an Epsilon AR I have.)
post #9 of 19
I have a new Sidewinder this season.  I love the jacket, with one exception.  I usually ski with it layered over a Patagonia R2 fleece, and when I zip the neck of the fleece up, the collar on the Sidewinder is too tight.  It's really annoying not to be able to zip up the collar on such an expensive jacket!!
post #10 of 19
Change your fleece then.  I either use an Arcteryx Covert Cardigan or a Maverick AR jacket under my Theta AR hard shell and it works great.

Your top layer is what, $600 and your mid layer is what, $200~?  Change your mid layer to fit your top.
post #11 of 19
I chose my midlayer because it is the right weight for my conditions and activity level - anything lighter would not offer enough warmth.  To me, the neck seems to be cut pretty snug for the jacket's size.  FYI, I have an Alpha SV that I use for mountaineering with much heavier layers underneath and the cut of the neck is not a problem.  The Sidewinder is a nice jacket, but I wouldn't recommend buying one without trying it on first!
post #12 of 19

I prefer arcteryx sidewinder, high-quality and it fits me well, though it costs expensive. It gives enough warmth,for me. Though I cannot recommend it to 'coz we have different taste in clothing though you can try it and see for yourself!

 

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post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by DtEW View Post

Concur w/Finndog, great shell, ignore the snowboard comment, poster didn't know what he was talking about.  I'd say even ignore the "boxy" comment as I had bought both the Arc'teryx Sidewinder AR and Stingray from backcountry.com at the same time in the same marked size, and direct comparison (jackets measured against each other, also worn) the Stingray was the shorter, trimmer, and less baggy of the two, which is why it was the one I kept.

I'm actually not in love with the color that I bought ("Mineral", which turned out to be more of a light green + olive green), but the construction (note the curvaceous panel junctions and seam seals) is certainly much more intricate than that of the Sidewinder AR, which may explain why the Stingray was not outsourced and seems to be still made in the corporate headquarters.

*edited per Finndog's correction*
 



If I had implied that the fact of something being made outside the original corporate manufacturing headquarters (outsourced), say Canada or in other cases Germany, was cause or reason to assume a lower production quality, I'd have my head ripped off.

 

And I also once returned the sidewinder for reasons that escape me now.

post #14 of 19

I have one sidewinder and returned another (plus have the Stinger and about everything else they make).

 

Don't do the Sidewinder - the theory of the zipper is ducky, but if it's not zipped all the way up you have one big side flapping around and then another smaller side. I like the Stinger MUCH better.

post #15 of 19

I,too, find the neck is cut too snug, I'd really rather a lot more volume available around the neck. This is just a shell and cold weather requires multiple layers underneath and, as stated above, when it's not zipped up.... you then end up with one big flap...flapping.

The hood (mine's an SV) is just a hood, nothing tech about it at all really and i think, for that price, the hood should be something spectacular.

Quality, water-resistance etc all absolutely superb.

post #16 of 19

I'm hoping for a Sidewinder SV but I would settle for a Stingray, Stinger, Theta, or Beta (In that order).

 

The main decision point is on the Pro Shell vs the Soft Shell.  Stingray won't be quite as durable and water resistant, but it's still designed with skiing in mind so it would do the job.  Probably wouldn't be as nice for throwing in the pack during the summer months either because of the insulation. 

post #17 of 19

Old Thread, but i'm bored.

 

Stingray is just as waterproof and windproof as the sidewinder..they are both Gore-tex.  The Sidewinder AR is tougher (tree skiing) and can take more abuse with stowable hood, Sidewinder SV is even more tougher then the AR without a stowable hood. 
 

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I'm hoping for a Sidewinder SV but I would settle for a Stingray, Stinger, Theta, or Beta (In that order).

 

The main decision point is on the Pro Shell vs the Soft Shell.  Stingray won't be quite as durable and water resistant, but it's still designed with skiing in mind so it would do the job.  Probably wouldn't be as nice for throwing in the pack during the summer months either because of the insulation. 

post #18 of 19

I had the Sidewinder AR and it is indeed tough as nails and bombproof, however as some others have mentioned the design is funky:

1.)  I'm not a fan of the side zip - when you want to unzip partway you get the "big flap" syndrome.

2.)  The cut is super huge.  Size down if you're anywhere close to in between sizes.

3.)  The neck for me was actually too wide, and there's no cinch to tighten it up when it's howling.  Have to wear a neck gaitor.

4.)  The proshell is quite 'crinkly'... you get used to it, but sometimes you can feel a bit like you're wearing a plastic bag.

 

An alternative to the Stingray is the Sabre SV.   It's new this year but uses the same Goretex Softshell.  I've been pleased with it so far.

post #19 of 19

Just ordered my Stingray from 3point5!  Blaze was the only colour in stock but that'll do.  Can't wait until it gets here. 

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