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post #31 of 43
Bob,

I get what you're saying. But in all honesty, most customers are not as educated as the population of this forum. So to them, their decision is based solely on appearance. I see it all the time, especially when it comes to purchasing ski boots. Here's the most important piece of equipment and they're basing it on the 'cool' factor as opposed to fit. I bet over 50% of the skiing population skis on improperly fitted boots. 

I, for one, prefer the graphics of the Peak over the Monsters. Those green or red/black graphics were downright butt ugly. I never cared to demo them either because I already have an all mountain ski which i'm extremely happy with. 

I will say this though, I tried desperately to find a pair of Supershape Speeds to demo all of last year. Why is that ski so bloody difficult to come by?
It was completely sold out all of last year (according the the Head rep in Whistler) in all of Canada. I tried again 2 weeks ago when they had they're demo tent in Whistler. Spoke to the same Head rep and got the same response. I was ready to put down my $$$ for that ski. Ended up going with a pair of Fischer Progressor 8 instead (fantastic ski btw).
post #32 of 43
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

 Bob,

Unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world where skiers can make their own decision on a skis merits. The vast majority of skiers do not have the luxury of demoing a ski before the purchase, they rely on reviews, and ski shop salesman's suggestions. While many times last year I suggested the Monster 78 or 82 would be the best ski for them, they chose an inferior (for their application) ski because of graphics, these weren't bad choices, but in most cases the Head was a better choice. We chose not to carry Head skis this season because it felt that every sale was an uphill battle and we didn't see this year being any different. 

The difference we have found with brand like Head vs. other big name brands (Volkl comes to mind): The Head skis of the world require a person to actually sell the product, where the Volkl's of the world require someone to simply ring up the product.  It is tough to find people who actually know product enough to sell it, especially at prevailing ski shop wages.  Not to mention that a bunch of people out there just think that Volkl is the best, as that is what their buddies all ski, and therefore they won't consider anything else.  It is what it is. Then again, there are plenty of anti-mainstream customers (I am one of those believers: most often the best gear isn't the most heavily marketed; if it was the best, then marketing wouldn't really be required, right?)  Just like bicycles: how many people buy high-end Trek road bikes when they could have had a sweet Look for the same price?  Since LA rides Trek, it must be the best, right????
post #33 of 43
BTW, I skied the Peak 88 the other day, as well as the Atlas 94 (see my video review here http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/89584/blizzard-atlas-2010-ski-video-review-180cm

It was a draw between these two skis.  Depending on the terrain, I had a preference one way or the other, but they are both really, really good skis.  Unfortunately, I didn't have video of the Peak 88, as the camera died before I could get some shots.
post #34 of 43
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post

BTW, I skied the Peak 88 the other day, as well as the Atlas 94 (see my video review here http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/89584/blizzard-atlas-2010-ski-video-review-180cm

It was a draw between these two skis.  Depending on the terrain, I had a preference one way or the other, but they are both really, really good skis.  Unfortunately, I didn't have video of the Peak 88, as the camera died before I could get some shots.

That's a curious coincidence, dawg.  As I stated earlier in this thread, I too skied the Atlas 94 and the Peak 88 on the same day.  While I felt the Peak was the tiniest bit more damp (which is a characteristic I like but others don't), I really, really liked the Atlas as well.  It would be hard to choose between them.

Which, I guess, ultimately would be a situation in which choosing the cosmetics you like best would have some validity. 

(Although in that situation I would choose by price rather than by cosmetics - and if the PRICE were the same, then I guess I'd pick cosmetics. )
post #35 of 43
 G'day Bob. One of your Canadian reps is a very good friend of mine. He said at the 2009 test, the testers all loved the Peak 82. We're from Ontario, so he said we'd want the Peak 78 (we both have 177cm Peak 78s, I'm 6ft, 190lbs, intermediate/advanced going for CSIA level 1 this year). Out West, we grab some Jimis and Johns for Powder Days else we'd ride our 78s.

Spent 5 days at Whistler (dec. 4th thru dec 8th incl., pretty sure I posted a review) and they were great. For dedicated Western skiers, you'll want the 82 or 88.

They work great with the Raptor boot. I went from Salomon X-Wave boots and K2 Mod-X Pro (183 cm, cap construction, v old yes) to an all-Head rig. The difference is like driving a Buick to driving a Carrera S. Very precise, with a bullet-proof, rock solid feel, great feedback. Reckon it's that railflex puppy at work. You will want to stay forward on these, but the edge hold is still good if you get a little back on them. 

Hope this helps.
post #36 of 43
yeah, i would agree as a designer myself, most head ski's are FUGLY. the one exception is the new head Chip series, they are all back with machined aluminium details tip and tail. they are pretty great looking IMHO.  i bought a pair of head Mojo12 bindings this season.  i hated the graphics so much i spent countless hours on the web looking for last years version... unfortunately, i could not find them :-(
post #37 of 43
Love it or hate it grahpics/looks pay a big part in most puschases of anything.

Look at the Dynastar Legend skis. I drooled all over that retro bad ass look when I first saw it. Personally I think its right near the top of one of the most eye catching graphics on the market. You could stick those graphics on crappy ski and you'd sell a ton of them as most buyers rarely do much testing. I like the look of the last few years of the Head line up. Though I do think they tend to appeal to the 18-35 year old crowd. Fishers Watea's have had some killer looks over the last few years.

Maybe Head needs to refocus more on there company image then the graphics. They get great reviews across the board but most of there marketing is forgetable in my opinion. 
post #38 of 43
 Gee- I kind of like the graphics- very businesslike like the old Volkl Superspeeds. (speaking of Volkl, thank god they redid the Gotama's topsheet)  I'm glad to hear from Bob's review that they haven't really lost a step-  I loved the old Monsters, especially on hard snow and ice, but for me they were certainly work, especially later in the day. I'm in the market for a new frontside ski, and these look like a candidate. I'm also considering the Dynastar Sultan 85, in spite of the graphics. It'll be interesting to compare them, if anyone has some thoughts.
post #39 of 43
Bob,

You're review of the Peak sounds somewhat similar to your review of the mojo 94 (now the John, right?)-how do these two skis stack up against each other???  I might be, like your friend, needinga warranty replacement for the Monsters and wondered about these two skis relative merits.

Thanks!  Liam
post #40 of 43
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Bob,

You're review of the Peak sounds somewhat similar to your review of the mojo 94 (now the John, right?)-how do these two skis stack up against each other???  I might be, like your friend, needinga warranty replacement for the Monsters and wondered about these two skis relative merits.

Thanks!  Liam

Hi, Liam.

I guess my own recommendation is that if your friend is looking for an all-around ski with a slight bias toward SOFT snow, I'd suggest the 94.  If more of his skiing was going to be done on HARD snow, I'd say the 88. 

The 94 is a little easier-going than the 88 (even the "new" 88).  So, if your friend is a hard-charger who's going to spend most of his time on hard snow, the 88 would be the slightly better choice.  The 94 would be a bit more fun in moguls and trees, perhaps.

He can be a little lazier on the 94's, if that's important to him.  The 94 is a bit more forgiving even than the new version of the 88.  If he does any park/pipe skiing, the 94 would definitely be a better choice.

Thanks,

Thanks,
post #41 of 43
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You know economic times are tough when the demand for Head is down.
 
demand for head, or demand for Head.....the former is always in vogue...
post #42 of 43
OK, so now that they've introduced a 180cm in the Peak 88, how does the 180 compare with the 186cm?

I'm 6'4" and 210lbs.  I've become a good skier, but I'm still progressing.  I'm leaning towards the 180cm as being "enough ski" considering I prefer making turns more than laying down GS arcs on open terrain.  Does that sound about right?

Oh, and I happen to quite like the graphics on the new Peak series (as well as the majority of the old Monsters).  The Peak skis all seem very NASCAR to me.
post #43 of 43

I wanted to comment on Head ski graphics as being very important to sales to a certain demographic of any ski company.

I made the decision to go with the 2010 more subdued B & W design rather than the 2011 green red blue etc.

Wondering why the designers don't consider the overall styles of the targeted market. In my case I'm a mid aged

male (ok older end of it!) and wear a black Descente Swiss suit which is subdued but classy (sort of like a business suit really).

Also Salomon Impact 10 transparent boots  which are lower key too. Although I place function above form/style I had a choice between the 2 model years and chose the older 2010 model

because of the subtle graphics. The multi color just did not appeal as strongly to me.

I had 2 pairs of the older Monster im 88's and 82's with the North West Native kind of graphics and they were acceptable to me because of personal affinity to our own influences

here at Whistler, but for the new 2011 model style the colors don't do it for me! So listen up graphics department!

 

(I do a bit of ski photography here btw, fyi)

 

Robert (Bob)

 

http://whistlerphototours.blogspot.com/

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