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Jumping from a Ski Lift

post #1 of 97
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I was reading the thread about the lift roll back and got to thinking about jumping from a ski lift. There has been times where I was on a lift that was stopped near the top of the mountain over a decent amount of snow and considered jumping from the lift and skied down but never have. Anyone ever jumped from a low hanging stopped lift instead of waiting for it to get to the unload or just jumped off to ski?
post #2 of 97
I would think you'd probably be kicked from the mountain if there were no apparant danger or reason to be jumping from the lift and were caught doing so.
post #3 of 97
Got pushed off one by a really cute girl in High School once, does that count? 

At Monarch Pass the old double on the left.  A closed area because of low hanging chairs, not even a 10' drop.  Deep untracked, and all mine. 
She did me a very big favor.
post #4 of 97
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Originally Posted by Stranger View Post

Got pushed off one by a really cute girl in High School once, does that count? 

At Monarch Pass the old double on the left.  A closed area because of low hanging chairs, not even a 10' drop.  Deep untracked, and all mine. 
She did me a very big favor.

I've had people not want to share a lift ride with me... but not that badly... I guess she really didn't want your company.
post #5 of 97
I came really close to jumping off one once.  I was at Sugarloaf (up in Maine) and the cable derailled off the pulleys and was just sitting on the lift-tower arms (way below us; I was maybe 100 yards from the top and about 10 feet off the ground).

Anyway, we were busy trying to judge the distance to the ground using our ski poles when a patroller came by and asked us to just sit tight until they could figure out what to do.  A while later (we were stuck for about an hour in total) they somehow managed to push the cable back onto the pulleys and got the thing re-started and everybody unloaded.

Many years ago, I was stuck on a chairlift on a really cold day with one lady who would not shut up about how cold she was.  I very nearly pushed her off.
post #6 of 97
I earned it!  Mom would not have been happy with me, but Dad would have understood.  All ended well, we made peace and the ride home was just fine. 

Additionally, she did not ski that well so it was the best run of the day for me on a sterling powder day.  The line was great though, and I did it proud.

Memories are made of such adventures.
post #7 of 97
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Originally Posted by Skidude04 View Post

I would think you'd probably be kicked from the mountain if there were no apparant danger or reason to be jumping from the lift and were caught doing so.

Worse than that, I have heard of resorts that take a picture of you and ban you for life :(
post #8 of 97
Many years ago on Christmas Day they would open and run the lifts for resort employees only at one little joint a few hours before opening to the general public. Nobody was really working, sort of self service.  Being 17 I thought it would be funny to jump off near the top.  I heard about it from a patrol.... kind of a "don't screw this up for everyone, knock it of'f"  kinda way. 
post #9 of 97
I've never jumped but saw one jump and heard of the second.

Once a young man saw his friends skiing under the lift a minute from the top. He was in our chair. We were about 25' off the snow and the snow was hard, the hill was flat. He just scooched forward and dropped. He was in the chair and then he wasn't. He landed fine.  But later he told me it really hurt his feet and ankles. So, be informed: it hurts, ouch.

Another time a guy did a huge jump right under the lift. He had no spotters or friends to dig him out. He jumped and disappeared into deep snow. A guy on the lift saw that he was in trouble, it's impossible to get to that area without skiing into it from above, which is beyond category in difficulty.  you can''t hike up, you can't traverse in. So this guy jumps from the chair about 30' onto deep snow at 35 degrees or so, skis the chute down to the augered skier, and digs him out before he suffocated. Pretty legendary stuff.

the obvious problem can be that the suddenly unweighted chair will bounce dramatically.
post #10 of 97
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

the obvious problem can be that the suddenly unweighted chair will bounce dramatically.

And possibly bounce the cable off the wheels or even riders off the chairs.  You don't want to be that guy.  

And if you get hurt...
post #11 of 97
The only time I was ever tempted to jump from a chairlift happened decades ago when I was spring skiing and a thunderstorm moved in quickly while I was riding a chair up the backside.  There were frequent lightning strikes close to the summit, and at one point I swear I saw a faint aura around the chair pole next to me.  In an instant my buddy next to me let out a loud yell, as did some others up and down the lift. 
"Did you get a shock?" I asked.
"YES!!!!  Didn't you feel it????" 
I hadn't - he had on jeans, I had on wool stretch pants (this was the 70's...laugh if you want to).  We spent the rest of the ride trying not to touch any metal on the chair.  The worst feeling was knowing that you were riding closer and closer to where the lightning was.  Longest ride of my life...
post #12 of 97
Wow, all these posters and no one has done it?  Well I have. Many years ago when I was a lot younger and dumber. It was first thing in the morning on a powder day at Squaw. We came up the tram and decided we were going to head over to Granite Chief. Hopped on one of those beginner chairs that go across the top flat area to get there and it stopped half way. We sat there for at least 15 minutes while all the pow was getting tracked. I'm guessing the bottom of the chair was about 12 feet off the ground. We kicked our skis off, hung from the bottom of the chair and dropped into soft snow. Some woman partol saw us and came up and started reading us the riot act. I was sure she was going to pull our tickets but just then a supervisor who had also seen us came up and told her he'd handle it so she left. He told us don't do it again and that was that.  Never did it again.
post #13 of 97
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Originally Posted by Bob Lee View Post



And possibly bounce the cable off the wheels or even riders off the chairs.  You don't want to be that guy.  

And if you get hurt...
 


Thank You.
Thats exactly what happens.
The bounce of the cable when you exit your lame a$$ travels right on down the hill .
post #14 of 97
Don't ever mention jumping out of a chair at Loveland, esp. in front of Pip.  He'll tell you about the time two kids jumped and bounced him right outta his chair.  He was adjusting some boot buckles and wasn't expecting the cable bounce.
post #15 of 97
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Don't ever mention jumping out of a chair at Loveland, esp. in front of Pip.  He'll tell you about the time two kids jumped and bounced him right outta his chair.  He was adjusting some boot buckles and wasn't expecting the cable bounce.
 
Well, something good about lowering the safety bar. They can't jump without raising the bar first...

Although I've contemplated jumping in a few occasions. Never did.

Did see one kid 2 chair ahead of us. Whether he's pushed or jumped wasn't clear to us. A big "boom" sound and he's on the snow. Landed on his feet though. Judging from the sound, it must have been painful still.

Last question, if you're stuck up the lift, would you jump WITH the skis or click out first and jump WITHOUT the skis? 
post #16 of 97
I did it once as a kid at a low spot, maybe 10 feet IIRC.  Memory of it is fuzzy at best, it was almost 20 years ago.  I jumped with my skis on but they both came off as soon as I hit the ground.  Thankfully I didn't get hurt and certainly wouldn't even consider doing it now unless it was some sort of emergency.
post #17 of 97
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Originally Posted by at_nyc View Post

Last question, if you're stuck up the lift, would you jump WITH the skis or click out first and jump WITHOUT the skis?

C) None of the above.  You wait for the patrol to evacuate you.  Period.  For refresher, please re-read the above comments about consequences of bouncing the chair. 
post #18 of 97
 Years ago at Camelback. They wouldn't let you ride the triple alone, there had to to be at least 2 people on the chair...don't know why but, that was the case. Me and a buddy of mine ended up with this kid (we were about 15, and he was about 12), about 1/3 the way up there is a low spot, maybe 10'ft above the trail. My buddy and I looked at each other and both said "lets go" and we jumped off, leaving someone "solo" on the chair. I don't know if the kid got in trouble or the lifties at the bottom did, but we thought we were the coolest. 
post #19 of 97
The Disney chair at Sugar Bowl used to be quite close to the ground during heavy snow years.  More than once I have seen the chair go through a gorge 5-10 feet deep.

Jumped off that one lots of times, sometimes just skied off it like a normal offload. It was fun when the drop was a few feet.  No enforcement, never got in trouble for it. There was a sign that said something like "stay on chair". 
post #20 of 97
I jumped off the chair once at Mt Bachelor, maybe 5 years back. It was a low spot, maybe 12-15 feet, onto steeps. My friend went first, landed, and kind of plopped his ass in the snow. I jumped next and landed where it was a bit steeper and was able to ski it out. We waited til the end of the day in case someone saw us and decided to pull our passes. The next season another friend of mine jumped off a pretty small triple chair while i was in it, no warning whatsoever! The bounce was surprisingly not so bad.
post #21 of 97
I never jumped out of a chair,kind of like 101 Airborne,military guys will know what I mean. Did fall out of one years ago. 223cm DH boards caught a tip on the take off and sucked me right out of the chair. It was funny.
post #22 of 97
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Well, something good about lowering the safety bar. They can't jump without raising the bar first...

   Bar?  What bar??????   Only two lifts at Loveland have bars.  Chair 2 definitely does not have a bar.
post #23 of 97
Let's say that an emergency exists and you HAVE to jump. (your kid just fell from the chair, or your wife is suffocating below you in the deep snow) Not because you're missing out on the powder.

the distance is around 25 feet (remember to look straight down to guage the distance, not slightly forward) the slope is 35 degrees.

the snow is fresh and soft, about 18", no rocks or trees

Is there a right way to jump? 

(I would do it skis on to prevent post holing and bending or twisting against locked legs) Turn 180 as you slip off the chair and take a strong stance like someone dropping a cliff, hands forward, land on your butt to prevent jambing your knees into your face, and so on.
 
Any real method for this.
post #24 of 97
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

Let's say that an emergency exists and you HAVE to jump. (your kid just fell from the chair, or your wife is suffocating below you in the deep snow) 

I'm sure the patrol would appreciate having two victims instead of just one.  

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the distance is around 25 feet (remember to look straight down to guage the distance, not slightly forward) the slope is 35 degrees.

the snow is fresh and soft, about 18", no rocks or trees 

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/89396/girl-falls-from-ski-lift#post_1163437:
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ksl.com December 19th, 2009 @ 7:18pm ALTA -- A 4-year-old girl fell off a ski lift at Alta ski resort Saturday. The girl was riding the Sunnyside lift at the resort around 4:30 p.m. when he fell 30 to 40 feet. She suffered a significant loss of consciousness and stopped breathing. When ski patrol arrived they gave her rescue breaths until she was breathing again. The girl was transported to Primary Children's Medical Center by helicopter in critical condition, though she had regained conscious before being transported. The girl is now in serious condition. She was riding on the lift with an adult at the time that she fell.
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Is there a right way to jump?  

Did you miss the part aout the hazard to other people on the lift when someone jumps?  
post #25 of 97
I wrote the bit on the danger to other people. (#9)

but if I had to save a family member from real danger, the possible risk to others might have to be accepted. being totally realistic. sorry. thus the question: is there a right way (less bounce, better jump position) I'm not saying that I would ever jump. But if I perceived that I had to, I would sure like to know the best method.
 
the patrol are not going to be on scene or arrive on time, hypothetically. and they're human, they understand. they would be upset, but they'd understand.

Sh$% happens. be prepared.

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I'm sure the patrol would appreciate having two victims instead of just one.  

 

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/89396/girl-falls-from-ski-lift#post_1163437:
 
 

Did you miss the part aout the hazard to other people on the lift when someone jumps?  

 
post #26 of 97
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Originally Posted by Stranger View Post

Got pushed off one by a really cute girl in High School once, does that count? 
 
 Priceless!



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Originally Posted by KevinF View Post

I came really close to jumping off one once.  I was at Sugarloaf (up in Maine) and the cable derailled off the pulleys and was just sitting on the lift-tower arms (way below us; I was maybe 100 yards from the top and about 10 feet off the ground).

Anyway, we were busy trying to judge the distance to the ground using our ski poles when a patroller came by and asked us to just sit tight until they could figure out what to do.  A while later (we were stuck for about an hour in total) they somehow managed to push the cable back onto the pulleys and got the thing re-started and everybody unloaded.

Many years ago, I was stuck on a chairlift on a really cold day with one lady who would not shut up about how cold she was.  I very nearly pushed her off.
I'm wondering if the derailment was because someone else jumped off the lift.
post #27 of 97
From experience, I can say that you will be removed from most resorts and lambasted extensively by the epicski community

www.epicski.com/forum/thread/37215/thoughts-wanted-especially-patrollers/60#post_452523 

Bottom line, unless the risk to life and limb by remaining on the lift is greater than jumping off, there is no reason to do it.
post #28 of 97
I've jumped 3 times that I can remember, 2 at Vail, 1 at Steamboat. At Vail, both were on chair 11(?, the Northwoods chair) : once, I dropped my pole right after the lift cleared the bottom, it's a long chair so when the lift came over a rock outcrop and was somewhat low i jumped-this was not smart since the chair was on the tower when I jumped. The second time the lift had stopped about 30' from the top(it had stopped several times that day) the drop was only 6-8' into very soft snow. The lifty yelled at me and threatened to pull my pass(like I was going to let a lifty touch my pass).

The time at Steamboat the lift was about half way up 4 Points lift when it stopped, after about 15 min waiting I jumped 10-15' into powder bumps.
post #29 of 97
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

I wrote the bit on the danger to other people. (#9)


I was referring to derailing the cable and/or knocking other people out of the chair.  KNOCKING OTHER PEOPLE OUT OF THE CHAIR = UNACCEPTABLE RISK.  

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but if I had to save a family member from real danger, the possible risk to others might have to be accepted. being totally realistic. sorry. 

There are a couple of iron-clad premises to rescue, at least on a professional level - the first is to do no harm.  You can't accept or justify injuring other people because of your questionable estimation of danger to someone.  

Second premise; you don't become part of the problem: ie. if you injure yourself trying to rescue someone - which is likely if you jump 25 feet out of a chair - then you've made it that much worse for the people that eventually come in to (responsibly) take care of the problem.  

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I'm not saying that I would ever jump. But if I perceived that I had to, I would sure like to know the best method.
 
the patrol are not going to be on scene or arrive on time, hypothetically. and they're human, they understand. they would be upset, but they'd understand.


I'd suggest - rather strongly - that you put the Superman fantasies out of your mind, they're driving your 'perceptions.'  Your hypothetical structures are pure fantasy - I've never seen or heard of something like what you've laid out happening, but I've only been skiing about 40 years.  Re: your little story in post #9 about someone augering in and someone jumping off the lift and saving them is pretty ridiculous IMO - how do you know with enough certainty to risk other peoples' lives that the life of the person who augered in was in danger?  Did anyone know the victim's vital signs that would justify the action if the chair had bounced and someone fallen out of it or the person who jumped hit a rock and got a compound fracture or worse?  

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Sh$% happens. be prepared. 


  You're discussing this with someone who has 32 years of professional firefighting experience and four seasons of pro patrol.  
post #30 of 97
Bob Lee, not real impressed with your firefighting or your patrol even less impressed with your lecturing-ugh.  Whether you're right or wrong - hate to see condescending lectures.

Davluri.  Depends on snow, height etc., deep powder skis on or post hole.  Med powder, side fall, above all  you Have to hang from bottom of chair, don't just drop/jump off.  Hard snow, rocks etc, high then getting off becomes a maybe life or death decision. 

GET OFF.  Chair in runaway - backwards.  Get off and if you can, get away from area.  I can't remember exactly where it was but there was a video of a runaway backwards chair here on Epic years ago and you defintely want to GET OFF otherwise you are gonna be very dead.  It was a training and experimental runaway that was done on purpose to see what would happen - not pretty a all.
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