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Watea 84 or Dynastar Mythic Rider for Tahoe 1-ski quiver?

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
Hello!

I recently found myself in the market for a new pair of skis (mine got stolen at the lodge at Alpine Meadows), and I've been reading the forums here and the reviews at realskiers to narrow down my choices.

I would classify myself as a solid level 8+ skier, and I am usually looking to improve my form and technique every time I go out.  I typically ski off-piste, but enjoy carving on the groomers every once in a while.  I like working on my form in bumps as well.  I'll be skiing Tahoe almost exclusively, so I'd need something that handles the Sierra snow well.  Since I'm only going to own 1 pair of skis (at least for the immediate future), I'd like decent powder performance.  I know I'm not going to find something that's perfect in all those regards.

I am a 5' 10'' , 165 pound male.  I've been skiing since I was about 6 or so (26 now).  My previous skis were the first that I owned myself, 2007 K2 public enemies given to me by my family.  I don't really spend much time in the park, so they were a bit of an odd choice, but I really felt they were decent for all-mountain activities.  I did notice a tendency for my legs to tire out quicker than some of my fellow skiers, although I consider myself athletic.  That may just suggest that I need to work out my legs more.

Using the information in the following threads:
http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/78004/best-expert-all-mountain-skis
www.epicski.com/forum/thread/75325/the-best-88-100mm-crudbuster-skis-your-opinion-please
www.epicski.com/forum/thread/83116/best-all-mountain-ski-intermediate-advanced-looking-to-improve


and using prices and the reviews on realskiers to narrow down my options, I've got it down to two skis, the Watea 84 and the Dynastar Mythic Rider.  I can get comparable deals on both.

The exact equipment I'd buy:

2009 Watea 84 176 cm, and
separately buy Head 2009 Mojo 12 Ski Bindings
2010 Dynastar Mythic Rider 172 cm bought in a package with PX12 Fluid Bindings

The prices on these equipmentspurchases are roughly equivalent, so that isn't a factor.

From what I've gathered, the Watea 84 would be lighter and more flexible, but the Mythic Rider might be a slightly better balance for a 1-ski quiver.  I'm intrigued by the Watea since it is so light, which might help with leg fatigue.  People have suggested it skis shorter than its length, so I'd go with the 176 cm.  Reviewers have said both are good in bumps, although realskiers only gave the Mythic Riders "bump rating".  Both seem to do well in deep snow.

Any thoughts on choosing between the two?

 


Edited by walkerds - 12/17/09 at 6:53pm
post #2 of 17
Thread Starter 
I'll be moving forward with the purchase soon.  Any help?

Thanks,
Dan
post #3 of 17
Well you've done your research and both seem reasonable.  I'm similar to your weight and just got some watea 84s.  From the reviews I've read the mythic rider is a little stiffer and planky, which doesn't really suit my skiing.  i would be tempted to go a little wider for a one ski quiver though.

o2gearshop outlet has the watea's for $290.  Shipping was free too.
post #4 of 17
I demo'd all last season and bought some Watea 84s in 176 over the summer from dawgcatcher.  Didn't try the Mythic Riders, bought have heard good things.  I don't think you can go wrong with either as long as you've demo'd both.

I concur with chemSki about going a little wider for a one-ski quiver.  I'm looking to get something in the 100 range underfoot, though as the Watea 84s are a good all around ski, but a bit narrow for deep stuff.
post #5 of 17
Here is the thread of my review of the Mythic Riders last year.  There were a wide range of comments and opinions about them.  The bottom line is that they have a rather unique ski design and construction that produces a ski for a particular type of skier.  Hopefully you will find it useful.

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/82766/184-cm-dynastar-mythic-rider-legend


FWIT, I ski the Watea 101s and the 94s and think they are some of the smoothest and easiest skiing boards around. Based on what I've read, I believe the 84s are similar construction to the 94s.   It is obviously a personal choice, but you might what to step up to the 94s for a Tahoe one-ski quiver.  Especially if you tend toward the off-piste terrain.
post #6 of 17
I agree with mudfoot, I'd strongly consider the Watea 94 over the 84 if you want a one ski quiver.  Watea 94 has a light snappy feel and is very good on groomed snow even at 94 width.  The added width will be a big benefit in soft snow.

You could easily ski the 178 Watea 94 at your size and ski level.

Mike

P.S. The mythic is a pretty burly ski and might be a bit much at your weight.
post #7 of 17
 Level 8 skier in Tahoe-you sure like a short stick.
post #8 of 17
At 165lbs. I think mid to high 170's is right on for length.  The mythic is a stiff ski so it's probably prudent to err on the short side with that one.

Mike
post #9 of 17
There is also a Watea 101, I think that's the waist, and it's very popular in Tahoe.

not to derail, but perhaps while the 84, 94, 101 are being discussed, we could add the 114. Not a one ski quiver, but shares some of the characteristics of the narrower skis.  I'm considering the Watea 114 as my deep snow ski. I want a wide, traditional camber and sidecut ski. It will be designated Tahoe deep and cold day ski. I don't know anyone skiing it right now. I figured that although it is soft, for a person 135 lbs, it would be perfect: floaty, lively, quick.
post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by MikeC View Post

At 165lbs. I think mid to high 170's is right on for length.  The mythic is a stiff ski so it's probably prudent to err on the short side with that one.

Mike

Agreed. I'm 5'10", 150lbs, level 7 skier and I found the 172 just right - I'm sure a heavier lvl8 skier could go longer with no worries.
post #11 of 17
Well, I'm even skinnier than narc, and I've never had any trouble turning my 172 Mythics. I'm actually planning on going up to something longer and wider for most Tahoe conditions, but we'll see how that goes.
post #12 of 17
Got to demo the 07/08 Mythics(Fischers weren't there)..and then went ahead and made the mistake of buying them before demoing the Watea94s later in season...., agree with MikeC, (at least that year's ski)...pretty stiff shovel.  Nothing difficult about skiing it, but I just like the Watea94's more....fwiw
post #13 of 17
for one ski quiver, need sth between 90-100 mm. otherwise, you're lame on the big days and crud, and they ski everything fine. I prefer a 2-ski quiver myself, but go for the 90's and you'll be set. just my opinion, fwiw.
post #14 of 17
you're correct, imo. all my skis are that length, work great.

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Originally Posted by MikeC View Post

At 165lbs. I think mid to high 170's is right on for length.  The mythic is a stiff ski so it's probably prudent to err on the short side with that one.

Mike
 
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by mudfoot View Post

Here is the thread of my review of the Mythic Riders last year.  There were a wide range of comments and opinions about them.  The bottom line is that they have a rather unique ski design and construction that produces a ski for a particular type of skier.  Hopefully you will find it useful.

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/82766/184-cm-dynastar-mythic-rider-legend


FWIT, I ski the Watea 101s and the 94s and think they are some of the smoothest and easiest skiing boards around. Based on what I've read, I believe the 84s are similar construction to the 94s.   It is obviously a personal choice, but you might what to step up to the 94s for a Tahoe one-ski quiver.  Especially if you tend toward the off-piste terrain.


Are you familiar with the Watea 114? It has my attention, around 170 (if made in several sizes). It felt great, lively, light. Perfect flex for a small skier (140lb) it seemed to me.
post #16 of 17
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Are you familiar with the Watea 114? It has my attention, around 170 (if made in several sizes). It felt great, lively, light. Perfect flex for a small skier (140lb) it seemed to me.
I only know what I have read in the ski mags.  I have the original 101s, before they put the I-beams in them, and I like the softer flex.  I do not have a problem with a 114 waist, but the 148mm tips do not sound like something I want to deal with.  I am a big guy, have skied bottomless very light snow on my 101s, and cannot imagine needing something wider.  They will ski the bumps or hardpack too, but I would never consider them for an everyday ski.  Given a choice for powder I prefer softer and longer, instead of shorter and wider, but I am a western skier.  I may be stuck in the past but, unless I move to Alta, IMO the 114s seem like overkill, but that doesn't mean I would not be very interested in a review.
post #17 of 17
For a one ski quiver, I would also tend toward a fatter ski in Tahoe. Maybe the Mantra in 177?
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