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Stockli Stormrider XXL vs. Volkl AC30??

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
Has anyone skied both of these sets of skis?

If so, how do they compare?

Thanks
post #2 of 19

Similar dimensions, different animals.  AC30 is a quick, strong, power carver, great for groomers and hard snow, not fantastic in loose snow.  The XXL is a smooth, damp, ski that really shines in crud and powder, but also is stable at speed on groomers - it has a "looser" feel than the AC30.  Both great skis, but in different ways.  Hope this helps.

post #3 of 19
Exactly right.
 
post #4 of 19

I think the XXL is the XL with a foam core. therefore, it's around 75mm waist. not much good in powder or crud. Also, it has a 43mm difference between the waist and the tip. Pretty turny.

the ac is a cap ski. the stockli a sandwich sidewall construction. cap skis don't last as well, IMO and experience, and break down.

the ac is a system ski. the XXL is flat. want Markers in a system or any binding you chose? 

I'll agree that the Stockli may have a smoother quality. It has a rebound (the wood core XL) that is strong and even tempered.

 

post #5 of 19
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the responses.  I know that the 2009 and 2010 Stormriders have an 80 mm waist like the AC30.  What I am really looking for is an east coast ski (mid-atlantic to Vermont) that can handle icy conditions and not me too stiff when taken in the bumps, trees, and powder (ex. Sugarbush Castlerock Chair, MRG). 

I have skied an older model of the AC30 (with the narrower waist) and I thought that it was amazing on hardpack, but was a little too stiff in a off-piste and technical terrain.  I also skied the Nordica Top Fuel and it was better in the bumps and crud, but was just okay everwhere else. 
post #6 of 19
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Originally Posted by viva Borracho View Post

Thanks for the responses.  I know that the 2009 and 2010 Stormriders have an 80 mm waist like the AC30.  What I am really looking for is an east coast ski (mid-atlantic to Vermont) that can handle icy conditions and not me too stiff when taken in the bumps, trees, and powder (ex. Sugarbush Castlerock Chair, MRG). 

I have skied an older model of the AC30 (with the narrower waist) and I thought that it was amazing on hardpack, but was a little too stiff in a off-piste and technical terrain.  I also skied the Nordica Top Fuel and it was better in the bumps and crud, but was just okay everwhere else. 
 


I ski the XXL in a 170 and frequent MRG.  In my opinion it is the perfect ski for MRGs bumps and tight trees.  I also ski fast groomers with it and it rips.  While not as stable at speed as the XL, it more than makes up in its versatility.  The dimensions of the XXL are 122-80-108 vs. 116-75-102 for the XL.  The XXL is softer so it skis pow much better.  Go for it!
post #7 of 19
I currently own the XXL in a 170 and have owed the AC30 as well. I greatly prefer the Stockli.
I think that my XXLs are one of my favorite all mountain skis ever. If tuned right, they handle ice very well and will ski bumps fine (there are certainly better bump skis) at the same time they will also handle "boot-top plus" powder very well.
At the same time, I'm only 155#s. I have found that for me my weight makes a big difference when buying some skis, such as Volkls AC series.
post #8 of 19
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Originally Posted by TrickySr. View Post

I currently own the XXL in a 170 and have owed the AC30 as well. I greatly prefer the Stockli.
I think that my XXLs are one of my favorite all mountain skis ever. If tuned right, they handle ice very well and will ski bumps fine (there are certainly better bump skis) at the same time they will also handle "boot-top plus" powder very well.
At the same time, I'm only 155#s. I have found that for me my weight makes a big difference when buying some skis, such as Volkls AC series.

 

Pretty amazing. Post two skis to compare and there really are people who have owned them both. Sanouk / Rocker   or Mantra / Legend Pro.  someone out there/here knows something about it.
post #9 of 19
Thread Starter 

This really has been helpful and eye opening.  I too am 155lbs, so your opinion is really appreciated.  It sounds like this ski is really versatile and will be a great east coast quiver of one.  So one final question that has already been answered, but I need confirmation.

I am giving up too much hard snow grip with this ski?  I still need it to hook up on hardpack including standard VT icy conditions? 

 

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Originally Posted by TrickySr. View Post

I currently own the XXL in a 170 and have owed the AC30 as well. I greatly prefer the Stockli.
I think that my XXLs are one of my favorite all mountain skis ever. If tuned right, they handle ice very well and will ski bumps fine (there are certainly better bump skis) at the same time they will also handle "boot-top plus" powder very well.
At the same time, I'm only 155#s. I have found that for me my weight makes a big difference when buying some skis, such as Volkls AC series.

 
post #10 of 19
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Originally Posted by viva Borracho View Post

I am giving up too much hard snow grip with this ski?  I still need it to hook up on hardpack including standard VT icy conditions? 
 

NO WAY!  This ski has the edge grip of a race ski.  It may be a little softer along its length but it is still torsionally very stiff.  Remember, it still has two layers of metal in it!

I agree with TrickySr. in his assessment that it may be one of my favorite all mountain skis ever as well.
post #11 of 19
I have owned both skis as well.  I greatly prefer the XXL's.  I found the Volkls to be a little boring but are more forgiving.  The Stocklis are lighter, more nimble, and can take anything you throw at them.  I am about 50 lbs heavier than you however.  I have heard that lighter skiers have a harder time flexing the XXL and many lightweights find them to be too stiff.  I would agree that the XXL's are probably the best all-mountain ski I have ever skied.
post #12 of 19
I'm 140lbs and ski the XL in a 165cm.   more about power or force than size. and more about skill than force. It rewards correct methods.

I'm no longer sure what an all-moutain ski is, but my XL's are among the best skis I've ever clicked into. I use them for firm conditions off piste. lots of rebound, very quick, awesome edge hold, nice radius. and smooooooth. When they die I will buy another pair, as they are the only 'skinny' ski in my quiver.
post #13 of 19
 Im 6 foot 175Lb. I see a few of the xl xxl on sale right now.  Would the 174? be too short for EC only? I usually ski a 168 volkl allstar which i can bend n turn well, but they are a touch short, so im thinking the 174 would be in the ball park. 

Im pretty sure the 184 would be too long but any advice appreciated
post #14 of 19
I just went to a ski store recently and the store only sells Volkl and Stockli, the owner told me that the Stockli build quality is superior to Volkl for any of their ski line range for 2009-2010.  He sells more Volkl's because of marketing.  I just purchased a pair of Laser Cross Pro's and cannot wait to test them out.  I did not buy them in the store, I found them online at a much reduced price, much to the chagrin of the owner.  Why don't you look at the Laser Cross, or even the Laser Cross Pro if you are an aggressive skier.  I had a buddy go out to Winter Park with a pair of Laser Cross Pro's and he skied everything in sight, powder, bumps, chutes, backcountry, groomers, whatever.  He raved about them when he got back.  Don't get caught up too much in the wider is always better, because 80% of your ski days in the east are hard packed and you will want the carving aspect on those days.  Skiers for many years went without wide skis, you give up alot of feel on the snow the wider underfoot you go as you are pushing on the middle of the ski instead of on the edges,  Take a few pairs for a test and decide for yourself which model will work best, just make sure that it is a Stockli you decide on
post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

I'm no longer sure what an all-moutain ski is, but my XL's are among the best skis I've ever clicked into. I use them for firm conditions off piste. lots of rebound, very quick, awesome edge hold, nice radius. and smooooooth. When they die I will buy another pair, as they are the only 'skinny' ski in my quiver.


Ditto.  I relunctantly sold my XL's to a friend who has been coveting them for a couple of years.  With a pair of XXLs, Laser SCs and older Volkl AC30s in the quiver, I had a lot of overlap in the skinnier end of my quiver and unfortunately the XLs were redundant (if they were longer than 174cm that would have been another story).  I miss them and am seriously thinking of getting another pair @ 180cm (more versatile for off piste).
post #16 of 19
lots of Stockli's on Ebay right now. good prices on earlier model years in the wrapper.
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Ditto.  I relunctantly sold my XL's to a friend who has been coveting them for a couple of years.  With a pair of XXLs, Laser SCs and older Volkl AC30s in the quiver, I had a lot of overlap in the skinnier end of my quiver and unfortunately the XLs were redundant (if they were longer than 174cm that would have been another story).  I miss them and am seriously thinking of getting another pair @ 180cm (more versatile for off piste).
post #17 of 19
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lots of Stockli's on Ebay right now. good prices on earlier model years in the wrapper.

 
I saw that too, which is one of the reasons i had posted on sizing a day or two ago.  I dont seem to see a 177-180 ish length on some of the older models. Any one have any comments on the 174cm for 6 foot 175. Will be using for ec, primarily to try and make some fun on the groomer days with the kiddies
post #18 of 19
I was close to 200lb and skiing XLs at 174, so at 175lbs they may work (your skis don't know how high you are, only how much you weigh).  Great on-piste, but just too short in crud and off-piste hence looking for 180cm.  My XXLs are 178 cm and are super vertatile with Marker Dukes (they've been to Kasmir, New Zealand, backcountry in Oz as well as great on the front side).
post #19 of 19
You can go shorter with the XL than many lesser skis. The 178 XL is a lot of ski. The 188 (whatever the length is mid 80s) is ONLY for a strong expert who skis over 40 days a year, IMO. However, I wanted a 174 in the 08 XL, but it jumps to 178 I think. You could handle that as well, and dig the hell out of it.

A friend has the XXL and I got to flex it. It's about a third less stiff than the XL. not saying anything about that, just observing a fact.

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I saw that too, which is one of the reasons i had posted on sizing a day or two ago.  I dont seem to see a 177-180 ish length on some of the older models. Any one have any comments on the 174cm for 6 foot 175. Will be using for ec, primarily to try and make some fun on the groomer days with the kiddies

 
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